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Re: I think I'm going to puke....
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Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:36:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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So I assume you believe that separate bathrooms for men and women is
sexist and wrong?
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As a matter of fact, I do think it’s pointless.
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What if I took 2 polls and asking men and then women whether or not they’d
like to see unisex restrooms-- how do you suppose the results would differ?
You as a male may think it’s pointless, but I seriously doubt that women
would feel the same way, and that only proves my point that men and women
are vastly different.
The fact is that restrooms are separate for very good reasons.
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Frank has already given a great discussion of this objection, so I’ll defer to him on this point.
If the constraints of cost and space were somehow eliminated, would you
object to the mandatory inclusion of a gender-neutral bathroom facility at
any location where a “men’s” and “women’s” room is currently provided?
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Many places actually have those-- they are called “family bathrooms”, and are a
good idea for that reason.
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What about providing a single (or several, for that matter) generic restroom
facility? At least five businesses near my home offer this exact
arrangement, presumably because it was cheaper than installing two separate
bathrooms. Granted, only one person can use the facility at a time, but it’s
still gender-neutral.
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In theory that’s fine, but in practical terms a nightmare.
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That, to me, is why the forced separation of restrooms is pointless. A
generic restroom can easily be provided with no danger of inappropriate
contact between users, so why should segregated facilities be required?
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Again, efficiency is WAY more important than being “PC”. (my new vanity plate:
NOPCWC4ME) :-)
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Besides, it wasn’t so long ago that people danced cheek-to-cheek, so to
speak, while using public latrines. Is this move toward excretory
sequestering, in your view, likewise a sign of culture on the decline?
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No, I consider respecting and honoring the distinctiveness of the 2 sexes a sign
of cultural enlightenment. I consider the treatment of women as men to be
crass and uncivilized. Boiled down: what do you think of my behavior when I
open the door for a women, but not necessarily for a man? Isn’t it merely a
sign of respect? I will open the door for an eldery gentleman-- again out of
respect. I respect other guys my age, but opening the door for them isn’t a way
I chose to show that-- I’ll hold the door open for them after I’ve entered.
Now, in this example I’ve treated men and women differently, but I still respect
them equally. Why is this rather simple concept beyond Feminists and others on
the Left?
JOHN
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| (...) I don't see why, honestly. Or, if it is a big problem, then why not have two separate gender-neutral bathrooms? (...) It sounds as though you're respecting the distinctiveness of the 2 sexes more than you are respecting a person of either of (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Frank has already given a (URL) discussion> of this objection, so I'll defer to him on this point. If the constraints of cost and space were somehow eliminated, would you object to the mandatory inclusion of a gender-neutral bathroom facility (...) (19 years ago, 13-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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