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Re: I think I'm going to puke....
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:44:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allister McLaren wrote:
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Besides, I don’t think androgyny is the goal here (although that may be the
current trend).
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I think that’s exactly the ideological goal. I think some believe this to be
the ultimate expression of humanity.
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It seems more about having the choice to step out of
stereotypical roles, and what’s wrong with that?
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WHICH “stereotypical roles”??? Fatherhood? Husband? Any individual can do
whatever they want, but holding up such a silly vision of a “new male” for
society to emulate is destructive.
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This is nothing, unless you think clothes do make the man. All this
primping and preening isn’t my cup of tea either, but if others want to do
it, so what?
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You are staring at a vision of the future if certain individuals had any say
in the matter. And they do. And so do I. It is a battle of ideas and
values, and I reject these. I see them as decadent; evidence of declining
culture, not progressive.
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You’re perfectly free to reject them. Why do you think it’s appropriate to
judge others who choose to embrace them?
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I’m not judging others, but I am objecting to others foisting their screwed up
vision on society. It is their vision vs mine.
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The world is constantly changing. You can rail against it all you like, but
it won’t stop it.
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What a cop-out attitude. I choose to change the world for GOOD, and this crap
is not good for society.
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Chances are in the natural cycle of things that it’ll swing
around to something you approve of again eventually.
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You can choose to be passive against such changes if you wish.
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You also won’t get any argument from me that western civilasation is in
decline, but this example is merely the latest symptom of a process that has
been in effect for at least a couple of hundred years. Typifying it as a
result of the actions of the ‘left’ is extraordinarliy narrow-minded though
imo.
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Not everyone on the Left, but it certainly is emanating from the Left.
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There is very little being done by any political affiliation that is
acting to reverse this decline.
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I disagree.
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In fact it seems to be a fairly common
assumption that we’re actually progressing. That’s merely another symptom.
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But only the Left would agree that such a “new male” would be progress.
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My advice: Don’t worry. Be happy. If you don’t want to put on a dress, don’t.
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Well, YOU are on the front lines (Europe). Your masculinity will be
culturally emasculated before mine.
JOHN
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| (...) Then you obviously give more credence to the influence a few fashion designers have than I do. (...) But what kind of father? What kind of husband? As much as you'd like to think otherwise, there's no one single blueprint for fulfilling either (...) (19 years ago, 9-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Teach them well, and they'll make reasonable choices. They may even follow in your footsteps. Whatever they do, I at least hope you'll respect their choices, even if they choose to put on a pink shirt. Besides, I don't think androgyny is the (...) (19 years ago, 9-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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