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Re: I think I'm going to puke....
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:27:23 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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What about providing a single (or several, for that matter) generic restroom
facility? At least five businesses near my home offer this exact
arrangement, presumably because it was cheaper than installing two separate
bathrooms. Granted, only one person can use the facility at a time, but it’s
still gender-neutral.
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In theory that’s fine, but in practical terms a nightmare.
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I don’t see why, honestly. Or, if it is a big problem, then why not have two
separate gender-neutral bathrooms?
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Besides, it wasn’t so long ago that people danced cheek-to-cheek, so to
speak, while using public latrines. Is this move toward excretory
sequestering, in your view, likewise a sign of culture on the decline?
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No, I consider respecting and honoring the distinctiveness of the 2 sexes a
sign of cultural enlightenment.
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It sounds as though you’re respecting the distinctiveness of the 2 sexes more
than you are respecting a person of either of those 2 sexes, partially because
you are making the differences in sex central to their identities, rather
than recognizing similarities that bridge sexual differences (or differences of
gender, for that matter).
You are more like an American woman of your social and geographic background
than you are like a aboriginal Australian man, yet you seem to identify the
sexual difference as paramount. In the proper context, what you perceive as
sex-based differences aren’t so different after all.
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I consider the treatment of women as men
to be crass and uncivilized. Boiled down: what do you think of my behavior
when I open the door for a women, but not necessarily for a man? Isn’t it
merely a sign of respect? I will open the door for an eldery gentleman--
again out of respect. I respect other guys my age, but opening the door for
them isn’t a way I chose to show that-- I’ll hold the door open for them
after I’ve entered. Now, in this example I’ve treated men and women
differently, but I still respect them equally. Why is this rather simple
concept beyond Feminists and others on the Left?
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Oh, we understand it, but we understand it differently from how you probably
intend it. Respecting a woman because she’s a woman rather than respecting
her because she’s a person is inherently patronizing (and, frankly,
paternalistic).
I hold the door for the person behind me because it’s a nice courtesy for the
person behind me, and because it consistent with my value system to express such
courtesy. Whether the person is a frail old man or a healthy young woman is
irrelevant, in my opinion.
Dave!
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| (...) Many places actually have those-- they are called "family bathrooms", and are a good idea for that reason. (...) In theory that's fine, but in practical terms a nightmare. (...) Again, efficiency is WAY more important than being "PC". (my new (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jun-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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