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Re: More from REASON - A Nation of Liars (was Re: Supreme Court Rules Agains State Rights
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Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:21:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
If you lie about marijuana use, yeah, you are a liar. What’s complicated
about that?
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Nothing. It’s not a complicated point at all... we’re governed by liars (Clinton
“didn’t inhale” and Bush “never did it”... right!... I beleive that!),
surrounded by liars, are liars ourselves, and it’s due to this stupid
prohibition, just like the last one (where did the Kennedys get their money from
again???) that’s the point of the article...
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The libertarian in me says legalize marijuana, prostitution, drugs etc, but
then I have to look at what kind of society would be the result.
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K, good point...!!
When I look, what do I see? A freer one? Happier one? Less people in jail for
victimless crimes? Less police activity wasted on trying to stop the tide from
coming in and more activity focused on the real criminals? Less gang warfare as
their main revenue streams are dried up? Less meddling in the internal affairs
of other countries? Less DEA jackbooted thuggery?
That’s in the “anti-freedom” section of the ballpark, right?
You need to move to a different section. The view’s way better over here.
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People would be free, but our society would be a mess.
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That’s not really a provable assertion, is it? Tell it to the Dutch, the
Alaskans, the Nevadans though, their society isn’t a mess. Even limited
legalisation of just some things helps matters a lot.
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So yes, I do agree that government should, for the good of the society as
a whole, limit some freedoms.
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Ack! Which ones? for how long? On who’s say so? No matter what the constitution
says?
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Seat belts. Yeah, they cramp my style, but
they save lives, reduce insurance costs, and so requiring them is a pretty
good idea (except that they save the life of the idiot who would’ve removed
himself from the gene pool without them, but you can’t have everything; where
would you put it)
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This is the old argument that I’ve argued against before: you say: Force others
to do things to make costs less for you because the system isn’t measuring the
true cost of not doing the thing and never can, the way its structured. I say:
Why not just charge drivers that don’t wear them more insurance premiums instead
of forcing the issue via needless regulation?
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Prostitution. Not good, especially for women. And how far are we from
virtual prostitution; from getting it on in the holodeck?
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Who records the starting images? Is that prostitution? Is making a porno movie
prostitution? Without starting images it’s not going to be very exciting.
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Seems like a
better idea to me then using women for sexual gratification. Lazy women who
would merely offer their bodies for money will have to find another way to
earn a buck.
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Lazy? Merely? How denigrating of you...
A good prostitute is an artist who works her tail off on her performances.
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Marijuana. Not really good, but if done in private, I see it no worse than
smoking or drinking alcohol.
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So why not legalise it (and punish those who do stupid things while under the
influence instead of those that want to relieve their suffering when no other
drug works...)
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And so on. If people were generally honest, responsible and respectful, then
I would say legalize everything.
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Cool, you moved seats after all! People generally ARE honest, responsible and
respectful. So we’re done, right?
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But people aren’t, and until society
evolves to such a moral plateau, it won’t be ready to handle such freedoms.
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Er, oops. Bzzt, wrong answer. Most people ARE good, and it’s possible to
structure things to handle the bad apples without subjecting the good apples to
the crusher. (Insert Franklin quote here.)
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