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| | | (URL) still embarassed that JC is the PM, but that's neither here nor there... Someone, somewhere, in a position of Canadian Authority, told it like it is. Though I would never call any person a moron, I would call a persons policies and directives (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) I can't help but to wonder if this person's opinion would be different had OBL leveled a different target-- namely Toronto's First Canadian Place. He may disagree with Bush's decisions handling worldwide terrorism, but calling them "moronic" (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Why is it that when Limbaugh, Reagan, Gallagher, Buchannan, Falwell, Robertson, Carlson, Will, O'Reilly et al spout pro-Republican invective it's called "fair and balanced reporting," but when a left-leaning commentator voices n opinion it's (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Let me also point out what Pat B is saying about Canadians--"Look at all we have done for them and they continue to whine." K, Pat, I'm sitting here waiting for you to list all the great and wondrous things you "'Mericans" have done for us (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You mean "VW"? And would that be before or after his sex change operation? -John (22 years ago, 24-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think you have it backwards, Dave! None of the above would claim to be unbiased-- they are honest and open about their conservative leanings. It's the print media, the networks, public radio who disingenuously pass themselves off as "fair (...) (22 years ago, 24-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You're injecting another issue into the discussion, which I will address in a moment. In any case, let's consider what you're saying: You're claiming that conservative talking heads can't be called demagogues as long as they are open about (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Rome vs. Carthage, the three Punic Wars. The third was pure force, resulting in the total anihilation of Carthage (even in physical terms) and enslavement of the surviving carthaginians. That is, in fact, a permanent solution. Question is, is (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Read of the end of Carthage: (URL) skip the last paragraph where Scipio compares Carthage to Troy. Innumerable wars have ended with complete annihilation of the enemy. The world is littered with dead cities, dead languages, untraceable peoples. The (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) One could compare it to a much more present situation :-) (funny how History repeats itself over and over again) (...) Are you sure that so many wars ended that way? From my own experience, I think it's a lot more common that the "losers" of (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Carthage —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That might be more common. Could ask the Statistics of Deadly Quarrels research folks about the majority. So maybe not so many whole civilizations, but certainly city-states and isolated population centers. Philip II at Thebes. Alexander at (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Carthage —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Fair enough :-) (...) That is true, although it does not tell us what happened to the slaves *in time*: did their descendents eventually gain citizenship? Were they assimilated? The city state, having been overrun, was it rebuilt? Did the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Carthage —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Who knows? But there are not too many identifiable folk who have not assimilated. That nobody really understands precisely what a helot was, is one demonstration. I know of a story of one annihilated city whose survivors petitioned their (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Carthage —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I recall a NG documentary where the explorers dug a basement in Jericho (sp?), and found an almost complete arsenal of human arms since Ancient Times to 1947 Independance war of Israel. In *a single* basement... so I can understand what you (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think we can agree that wackos come in all favors. (...) I am not for silencing criticism, but I think that insults are not necessary. How about *constuctive* criticism-- that's what I'd like. (...) I don't watch TV, much less own cable, so (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I agree 100%. But the problem is that conservatives in general (and, honestly, you in particular, in OT.debate at least) tend to castigate liberal commentators for doing exactly the same things for which conservative commentators are lauded. (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | (...) He'd take public transportation, without a doubt. The Apostles would shift for themselves (was that an unintentional anti-automatic transmission joke?). I suppose the more interesting question is what would Satan drive? -->Bruce<-- Who drives (...) (22 years ago, 24-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | WWJD Was Re: Not embarrassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd also go with the VW bus. I think it has to do with the stereotypical image of Jesus left over from Sunday school mixed up with childhood memories of hippies-- it's easy to imagine Jesus driving up Highway 1 giving rides to hitchhiking (...) (22 years ago, 24-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: WWJD - Or: Chariots of the Gods —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Just like a rebellious child: his dad had a Plymouth (God drove Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, "in a Fury!" - thank you, Scott Ostler). Yeah, if Jesus had to actually drive himself (SoCAl) it would be a VW MicroBus. (...) I thought the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: WWJD - Or: Chariots of the Gods —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't know-- Jesus was too much on the straight and narrow to drive a fried-out Combi. I'd see him more at the helm of the Patridge Family bus, and if he were driving in road-rage-ravaged LA, the sign on the back of the bus would say, (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | What does a Republican have to do to cause outrage? [was Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian...] —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) I fear the strong pro-liberal media in the USA has struck again. I read this yesterday: It's a dirty business (URL) then it is extraordinary what you do and don't hear in the US at present. Last Thursday, as predicted in this column a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What does a Republican have to do to cause outrage? [was Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian...] —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Everything I read about this issue tells me that Strom 'renounced' his segregationalist views, that he became more moderate thru the years. Times changed and so did Strom. Lott, on the other hand, still hasn't clarified what he meant by "All (...) (22 years ago, 11-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: What does a Republican have to do to cause outrage? [was Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian...] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I have no love for Lott and certainly not for Thurmond. I just have one question, where does the "blatantly racist" charge come from with respect to Goldwater's campaign? I'm wondering if that reveals a tendency for the Guardian to play loose (...) (22 years ago, 11-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Wonder ye not! If you check again carefully, you will see it is quoted from the "Irish Times" - ie **NOT** The Guardian. What was that about playing loose and fast? ;) However, I think the racist tag refers to his alleged support for "states' (...) (22 years ago, 11-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What does a Republican have to do to cause outrage? [was Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian...] —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | | (...) While I can only speak from my perspective as a denizen of that burning hotbed of bleeding heart liberalism, Northern California, that isn't true at all from what I can tell. Lott's comment has been the primary topic of every talk radio host (...) (22 years ago, 11-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: What does a Republican have to do to cause outrage? [was Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Point taken. It's hard to know when he wrote the text. The story [of the fuss] even made it to the BBC TV news last night [for 10 seconds max!]. I think the story actually says more about the Democrats than it does the media or the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) And I wonder how we would all feel if Dubya at least acted like a true leader of "the people"--leading them to do the right thing--instead of trotting down the same old 'naive solution' of 'he who has the biggest stick'. What I want to hear, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I wouldn't exactly call "he who has the biggest stick" a naive solution-- perhaps a tried and proven one.... Remember, Saddam has a pretty big stick himself-- he has butchered 100,000s of his own people with it! So why are so many bleeding (...) (22 years ago, 24-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) Perhaps it should not take a bloody nose for anyone to see the truth about terrorism? (...) lol (...) I feel sorry for you. What do you do if you disagree with your wife? Does she beat you until you do agree, or do you talk the problem over? (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) But there's nothing like a Pearl Harbor or 9-11 to jolt one's senses. The sad truth is that a bloody nose is *exactly* what it takes. (...) And what if she does? What the hell does that have to do with anything? (...) Please. Diplomacy has (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Not to hijack this thread back to the original topic of insulting one another... But quoting Larry... since no one has responded directly to the original issue of 'tomfoolery' across our (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I spoke too soon on many fronts-- First (URL) is the aide handed in her resignation again, and this time JC accepted. Quoteth from the article " Ducros apologized for her comment last week and offered to resign, but Chrétien rejected her (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The term "moronic" is patently condescending, thus making it indeed a cheap shot. Further, you may not agree with this logic: 1) Sadam has or is developing WMD. 2) Sadam is sympathetic to terrorist organizations 3) OBL is the leader of a (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) John, Q. Who trained OBL? [A. USA] Q. Who helped SH get WOMD? [A. USA] Q. Which nation has sloppy bio-security [A. USA et al] Q. Which nation has threatened to use nukes in the ME [A. USA] Q. If SH does have WOMD, what scenario would make him (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Darn right, because we happen to believe in freedom. (...) Ah, the "truth" about global warming? Let me ask you Dave, how much global warming are you experiencing up there? None for me here, either! (...) Just answer my question, Dave. Would (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) First, what does it matter which skyscraper was levelled? If it was Bloor and Yonge that was 'ground zero' and a year+ later JC was going on some campaign against someone who wasn't even *involved* in the attack, of course we'd call his (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, not to sound insensitive, but if OBL attacked Canada, I would care a lot less than I do now. Part of that may be human nature. Millions of people die every day, but I'd care a whole lot more if one of them was in *my* family. >Show me (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Bull. I don't trust John Ashcroft to protect anyone's rights. Nor did I trust Janet Reno either. Did you even look at the "Habeas Corpus" post I posted? "sounds convenient" indeed. (...) I don't trust that the president isn't so wacked. (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Bad example. Because we DID concentrate on Italy first. We did a holding action in the pacific, rolled through Africa and up into Italy and then opened yet another front in europe via Normandy. Only once the war was won did we switch focus to (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) No *you* believe in *your* freedom. (...) That's another problem solved! Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Naturally! And I haven't won the lottery, so no one has won the lottery. Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Dave! always comes up with better examples than me! Oh well. :) Dave K. (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It's the ! that makes all the difference. Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, I just heard that somebody just won twice! :-P <my comment was tongue-in-cheek as well> -John (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Well, here's a little story about a kid named Dave. First, let me just say that this kid has a pretty awesome name, but that's not the story... Our little hero was born around (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I am saying that I care *more* *because* it happened to me, as you would if OBL had leveled Buckingham Palace and 1,000s of *your* countrymen were murdered. You just don't get it. If not for the courageous actions of a handful of Americans, (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) The UK has already lost 1000's to terrorists. Much of it supporeted by *your* countrymen: (URL)You just don't get it. You don't. OBL has been a terrorist for quite a while. You country trained him. None of that was a problem until he bit the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) Well, here's a brief interesting historical interpretation: (URL) entire article (the good bit is closer to the end of the article, listing a bunch of, shall we say, more colourful metaphors used by American and Canadian folks): Editorial: (...) (22 years ago, 25-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore... —David Koudys
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| | | | The fall-out continues: (URL) points of further interest from the article: 1- (from the article) " She apologized last week, but the furor has continued in Canada. On Monday, some opposition members of Parliament noted the comment appeared in an (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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