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Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore...
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Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:04:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> <snip>
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> > -John
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> Not to hijack this thread back to the original topic of insulting one another...
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> But quoting Larry... since no one has responded directly to the original
> issue of 'tomfoolery' across our shared border, I stand with the assertion(s):
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> That Americans have shovelled out more than they have received of insults
> (but who cares) -- http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=18350
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> That it is, indeed, the Americans who are the whiners--anytime someone
> points out *any* area that could be improved, there is no end of flat-out
> whining from Americans -- "My god no! Don't take away our
> SUV's/guns/private medical care/whathaveyou! We'll start jumping up and
> down and wave the constitution around and throw a tantrum until y'all go
> away and stop bothering us with the truth." You want a whiner? Pat B and
> his cohorts throw a tantrum anytime they feel threatened--"Y'all can believe
> and do whatever y'all want as long as it's what I agree with!"
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> That Dubya's policies are moronic----there is no direct correlation b/w OBL
> and Saddam, and going down his current path is moronic if stopping terror is
> suppose to be our objective.
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> That throwing up a straw man arguement, "Well, what if it happened to
> you!"--news flash John, Canadians died that day as well, Canadians helped,
> and I might remind you--where were your planes redirected to? Not that we
> need, want or even think about getting any credit, but don't forget who has
> always been your friendly neighbour. Hi, I'm Canadian and I'm here to help you.
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> We grieve with our American sisters and brothers--that does not diminish the
> realization that Dubya's policies can be construed as moronic.
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> So bring it back to the topic--This 'moron' news cycle is already fading
> into a distant bad memory, but many Canadian papers, a la 'Letters to the
> Editor' and private polling, have come out and said "Thank you, we agree" to
> the aides gaffe. And the further wonder--Jean C did not accept the
> resignation of the staffer! I am not embarassed to be a Canadian
> anymore--at least somone is telling it like it is.
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> Dave K.
I spoke too soon on many fronts--
First
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=398858554baf10e8&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1038308579883&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154
Gist is the aide handed in her resignation again, and this time JC accepted.
Quoteth from the article
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Ducros apologized for her comment last week and offered to resign, but
Chrétien rejected her resignation at that time.
But in a letter of resignation to Chrétien today, Ducros wrote: "It is very
apparent to me that the controversy will make it impossible for me to do my
job."
Chrétien accepted the resignation, responding in a letter: "In your almost
four years as director of communications, you have served the government as
a whole, and me personally, with extraordinary skill and dedication."
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Secondly, a more detailed retort from John in a previous post:
Quoteth John
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I am not for silencing criticism, but I think that insults are not necessary.
How about *constuctive* criticism-- that's what I'd like.
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and
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Only that it was my whole point. It was a cheap shot, and I was commenting on
how I am tired of cheap shots that are devoid of substance.
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Well,
The aide was "speaking her mind" and the "devoidation of substance" is in
the eye of the beholder. Her point, born out by the people she was speaking
with when the 'moron' word was overheard, quoted, and the media circus
ensued, was the same one that many other folks are making--that going after
anyone *not* OBL is moronic. There is truth and substance to that point,
which makes her point neither a cheap shot, nor devoid of substance.
Further, it takes a little bit of guts to speak against Dubya at this time
and I applaud her, being in a position of power, for doing so.
I also applaud her for taking the high road and resigning.
So John, thanks for responding to the actual criticism.
Dave K
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| (...) The term "moronic" is patently condescending, thus making it indeed a cheap shot. Further, you may not agree with this logic: 1) Sadam has or is developing WMD. 2) Sadam is sympathetic to terrorist organizations 3) OBL is the leader of a (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Not to hijack this thread back to the original topic of insulting one another... But quoting Larry... since no one has responded directly to the original issue of 'tomfoolery' across our (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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