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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
> > Read of the end of Carthage:
> > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/polybius-punic3.html
> > Don't skip the last paragraph where Scipio compares Carthage to Troy.
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> One could compare it to a much more present situation :-)
> (funny how History repeats itself over and over again)
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> > Innumerable wars have ended with complete annihilation of the enemy.
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> Are you sure that so many wars ended that way? From my own experience, I
> think it's a lot more common that the "losers" of one civilization will
> eventually "melt" with the civilization which beat them.
That might be more common. Could ask the Statistics of Deadly Quarrels
research folks about the majority.
So maybe not so many whole civilizations, but certainly city-states and
isolated population centers. Philip II at Thebes. Alexander at Persepolis.
It's hard to read a 4th or 3rd century BC history that doesn't feature the
selling into slavery of an entire minor city (after slaughtering and
looting.) Populations uprooted to fill up some tyrant's new capital.
On a cheerier note, for the "Persistence of Antiquity" file, today's Wall
Street Journal mentions the Torre de Hercules lighthouse built by Romans in
the 2nd century north of La Coruña. Below that is an article on the
Pentathlon: "Advocates argue it is the [last] sport which hews to the
Olympic notion of testing a range of physical, mental, and emotional
capabilities. Replacing it with something more popular–the IOC commitee
recommended golf–would undermine that ideal.... The Greeks ran the games for
a thousand years, but when the Romans tried to make a circus of it, the
Games died."
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| (...) Fair enough :-) (...) That is true, although it does not tell us what happened to the slaves *in time*: did their descendents eventually gain citizenship? Were they assimilated? The city state, having been overrun, was it rebuilt? Did the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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