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Re: Not embarassed to be a Canadian anymore...
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Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:00:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > <snip>
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> > > -John
> >
> > Not to hijack this thread back to the original topic of insulting one another...
> >
> > But quoting Larry... since no one has responded directly to the original
> > issue of 'tomfoolery' across our shared border, I stand with the assertion(s):
> >
> > That Americans have shovelled out more than they have received of insults
> > (but who cares) -- http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=18350
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> So, are you suggesting that 2 wrongs make it right?
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> > That it is, indeed, the Americans who are the whiners--anytime someone
> > points out *any* area that could be improved, there is no end of flat-out
> > whining from Americans -- "My god no! Don't take away our
> > SUV's/guns/private medical care/whathaveyou!
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> Darn right, because we happen to believe in freedom.
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> > We'll start jumping up and
> > down and wave the constitution around and throw a tantrum until y'all go
> > away and stop bothering us with the truth."
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> Ah, the "truth" about global warming? Let me ask you Dave, how much global
> warming are you experiencing up there? None for me here, either!
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> > That Dubya's policies are moronic----there is no direct correlation b/w OBL
> > and Saddam, and going down his current path is moronic if stopping terror is
> > suppose to be our objective.
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> > That throwing up a straw man arguement, "Well, what if it happened to
> > you!"--news flash John, Canadians died that day as well, Canadians helped,
> > and I might remind you--where were your planes redirected to? Not that we
> > need, want or even think about getting any credit, but don't forget who has
> > always been your friendly neighbour. Hi, I'm Canadian and I'm here to help you.
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> > We grieve with our American sisters and brothers--that does not diminish the
> > realization that Dubya's policies can be construed as moronic.
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> Just answer my question, Dave. Would Canadians' reactions today be any
> different if it had been *your* skyscraper that was leveled?
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> -John
First, what does it matter which skyscraper was levelled? If it was Bloor
and Yonge that was 'ground zero' and a year+ later JC was going on some
campaign against someone who wasn't even *involved* in the attack, of course
we'd call his campaign moronic--we'd call him on the carpet and ask--nay,
demand--that the 'connect the dots' that joins the attackers to the campaign
against someone else is a little more substantial than 'because JC says so'.
Show me that SH and OBL are in league together. Don't just say 'They're
both *evil* so we can go after either one and achieve the same results' SH
didn't fund the hijackers, SH didn't send them on this 'eliminate infedel'
mission, SH had *nothing* to do with 9/11 and yet what's our focus right
now? Even after OBL puts out another tape threatening more 'terrorist
attacks', GW is *singularly* focused on SH to the *exclusion* of all else.
At least that's what appears to be the case.
So call 'em as I see 'em.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Never did. That said, in the realm of
politics and media, this sort of overheard private conversation makes for
great media attention.
During another debate, I was, shall we say, slightly wrong on my stance.
There were those that probably thoguht 'He said that??? What a moron!' I
would have prefered 'He said that?? Obviously he just doesn't get it!'
The aide is known for speaking 'everyday parlance' where 'moron' is another
way of saying 'he who doesn't get it!'.
She was specifically talking about the aforementioned issue of this
'digression' of the war on terror.
But that still isn't the point. The point is that OBL is still at large.
OBL is why this 'war on terror' started, and GW's policies today are
moronic--they are clouding the waters with this SH tangent.
Is like Dec 7, 1941 and FDR says "Oh, Japan just blew up a large portion of
our midway fleet and we're angry about it--let's concentrate *all* our
efforts on our war on Italy."
Best example I could think of right off the top of my head.
And no, I wasn't sarcastic at all--I really did appreciate a direct response
to my post, instead of a digression--the issue was the moron quote, not the
middle east issues--the war on terror was just showing the context of the
quotation, not the actual debate point.
Dave K
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| (...) Well, not to sound insensitive, but if OBL attacked Canada, I would care a lot less than I do now. Part of that may be human nature. Millions of people die every day, but I'd care a whole lot more if one of them was in *my* family. >Show me (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Bad example. Because we DID concentrate on Italy first. We did a holding action in the pacific, rolled through Africa and up into Italy and then opened yet another front in europe via Normandy. Only once the war was won did we switch focus to (...) (22 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Darn right, because we happen to believe in freedom. (...) Ah, the "truth" about global warming? Let me ask you Dave, how much global warming are you experiencing up there? None for me here, either! (...) Just answer my question, Dave. Would (...) (22 years ago, 26-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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