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Re: Medical Marijuana
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Obviously a world without war is preferable to a world in which war is
> > common, but wars were fought for stupid reasons long before focus groups and
> > media polls existed; there's no benefit in blaming them for war, as if they
> > were chiefly responsible for it.
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> Yes, but aren't they in fact responsible, not for war as a concept, but for
> certain kinds of war, and certain ways of carrying out war?
While the manner in which wars are executed is influenced by these
institutions, I don't think they're responsible for the wars themselves,
which is what I hoped to say. The fact that they're the current flavor of
the month for influencing war prosecution doesn't interest me so much, since
some form of propaganda has arguably always influenced the methods of war
(though to lesser degrees previously).
> Arguably focus groups and the media had convinced successive administrations
> that the american populace wanted painless, casualty free, no collateral
> damage wars...
I see your point, and in those cases I would agree that public opinion has
a beneficial effect on the methods of war.
Dave!
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| (...) Whoops! Hoist by my own petard. Drat. I was trying to say that the putative public opinion (which we have discovered is actually false, at least currently it seems to be) is DETRIMENTAL to the effective prosecution of war. War is messy and (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Yes, but aren't they in fact responsible, not for war as a concept, but for certain kinds of war, and certain ways of carrying out war? Arguably focus groups and the media had convinced successive administrations that the american populace (...) (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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