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(...) Why should they be responsible if there were no way company X could reasonably have known chemical X was lethal? That's just random killing.[1] Jasper [1] Of careers, and possibly the people affected as well, as a direct consequence. (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As another example, look at the people that AIDS from blood transfusions, while there were already good indications that HIV was transmitted through blood-contact ("it hasn't been proven yet that HIV causes AIDS!" (which is still true)), and (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We don't? Seems to me we're well on the way there. Corporations are the "slightly clean" version of the Family, after all. Jasper (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<38850672.B6A753EE@eclipse.net> <FoK7Jv.LHr@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I think I'm willing to largely agree that those things will increase also. Paperwork for sure...and that's a (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Pointless jabber... Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38acafe0.562152541@...et.com>... (...) It was a joke. (...) this (...) Why bother only changing a small community when its possible to change the world? Anyway, I am not afraid it won't work, and (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. Really. "Going by past successes", that is called. (...) So what you are really saying is that you'd rather not do it because you're afraid it might not work. Well, your choice. (...) Thought you were talking about donors. Okay, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is why you need said government fairly strong to be able to make sure those corporations _don't_ start doing things like that. Jasper (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) VAT in practice, though, is more of a sales tax except that companies don't pay it. What happens is that everybody charges VAT on everything, which is to be transferred through to the government, but companies get any VAT they have paid back. (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message <3884B49F.7877B548@e...se.net>... (...) You (...) designated (...) Democratic). (...) Hmm. Most people who I disagree with in real life would not score as Libertarians on that test. In fact I have talked a few into (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mark Rendle wrote in message ... (...) This is basically what I said in my post concerning art and artwork. Perhaps there is a more suitable word for my definition of the word art - anything a man creates. If so, then that eliminates the need for (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38970e5b.389705315@...et.com>... (...) Oh, really?! (...) a (...) I'd like to see that happen. I am sure the Liberals (Socialists) of this country would love it, too... "Wow, those Libertarians in that state are (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped example - I could counter it, but that would lead to wheel-spinning> (...) Hmm. That's not quite what I was getting at - I'm in favor of personal responsibility and liability, in a general sense. However, in a large organization, I (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack! I don't like that. I'm a strong supporter of the idea of personal liability, but that ranks as an accident, if I understand you. We believe (don't we?) that the herb, rosemary is safe, so we dispose of it willy nilly. Twenty years from (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3884AEDA.9C6DA48F@eclipse.net> <FoJnnJ.2xu@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) -- How do you hold a company's officers liable? If company X spills toxic goo -- into a river, who is (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3884AEDA.9C6DA48F@eclipse.net> <FoJMsz.K0p@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I think that if the answer is no, then it will still help, but not as much. Or maybe cause a industry ceo cycle (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was referring to the "people would not notice nearly as much". (...) No. I don't. Why is there a difference? You've still never explained that, all you say is "that should be selfevident". Why do you not trust government? It is made up of (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, right. I read your post as saying that it was OK to cut and paste HTML code[1], though not content itself. (...) A.C. Doyle? Quite probably something is wrong. It's just that I can't manage to see it either, which is why I asked you. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think what I'd most like to see are ebay "preferred forms" to still allow users to select which they'd like the most (also show the popularity of each form), and alternatively (if you REALLY want your own format) you can do it, but a little (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yes! Or maybe ridiculous price, stay away!, etc. ;) Scott S. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yes. The problem is complex, though: If you go back to a small community (say, max cities out at 100k inhabitants.), can you still sustain technology at out current level, and rise beyond that? Are million-plus-inhabitant cities a necessary (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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He said... (...) limited to (...) single (...) I said... (...) listings (...) Buyers can (...) Someone else said... (...) True. (...) Also, true. Maybe they could put a little *annoying* gif next to the listing like *hot*, *gallery*, etc. -Rob. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) think (...) For things done while they were in power, sure. Although I'm not sure how statute of limitations should play in, though the only things which should have a statute of limitations are things for (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup, one would - and that is the current set-up. But I believe(1) that I was responding to an impression that governments are evil because they'll do this, but corporations aren't, because they won't. James (URL) hunting through the thread for (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :O We agree on a lot more than just that.. but the differences define us, so to speak. Richard (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We've all got to stop *agreeing* like this or people will talk. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh :) I don't have anything against Mark though. Lurking in this newsgroup and listen to us prattle on argumentively about nothing is enough to drive *anyone* to a few chosen comments. We've probably been trolling him! Richard (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How did you arrive at that number? That's my point. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<387CF961.42F012A7@c...anweb.net> <FoAIpx.I2u@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I would tend to say both are equally valid. However governments have monopoly on the initiation of the use of (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe we can lynch him with a wet noodle, thereby combining your sentiment and Richard's... Dave! (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) At last, an artistic sentiment that Richard and I can agree on! But lynching's a bit much, though. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good. Similarly, I hope that the experience of being lumped in with other less pleasant groups for your views will grant you some sympathy for, say, environmentalists, not all of which are "worship the earth as our godess" pagans. -- (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The outrage! 50 lashes with a wet noodle. I don't care for his politics 100% but that man(? or whatever he is :-) ) has never been afraid to take chances artistically. Ziggy is on my 20 best albums of all time list. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any tax, across the board, incents some behaviours and disincents others. Broadly, there seem to be at least three classes of taxation, although there may be others. These are: Income - a tax on the production of wealth Sales - a tax on the (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the interests of not repeating myself: (URL) I don't think individuals have (in the general case) enough resources for personal liability to be feasable/sufficient. An example of this occured recently in Alberta - a number of people were (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is turning into a lynch-mob! (...) Well in that case I'll find a sturdy branch.. Richard (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be further argued that learning about HTML by viewing source is like learning to write well by reading good books. It is not the content that is of interest when you view source (usually the content is better present when viewed (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does that responsibility follow them from job to job too? What about when they've retired? If the answer is 'no' to either of them, then I don't think that will work. Richard (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are two more, too: I found 3780, 3781, 3782, and 3783. Not to mention that he misquoted Bowie. Dave! (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Since I guess this is partly my fault... (...) [snip] (...) Is it not a matter of scale? If I believed that you and they were both fascist-like but you were less so wouldn't I be as justified as you are by believing that they are at all? (Just to be (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's two trolls I've spotted from you, timestamped within 32 minutes of each other. You might want to review the charter of the group. (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Redundant is saying the same thing twice - typically in different words. An example is "that _big_ truck was _gigantic_." Chris (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You know Scott, I really don't get you sometimes. My post was mildly derogatory to a faceless group - not to you - and you completely took it as an attack. (...) You're welcome to believe what you want. That's fine. I don't happen to believe the (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. Redundant = unnecessary duplication. Using two things where one would be enough. However, I think that totalitarianism comes in both right-wing and left-wing flavors, so I don't see the redundancy in the term "right-wing fascist." Both (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<388320C1.F3E0E6D1@eclipse.net> <FoHr3F.Isu@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) In some ways that might be true. In others, and I think these are more important, corporations would be (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And eBay does have an interest in the listings being useable by people. If too many listings are unuseable, people will be less likely to use eBay, also, if the useablility of the listing eliminates a bidder or two, eBay may realize less (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) <snip> Care to provide some reasoning behind this position, or is it just a troll? James (URL) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is just reminds me that the very obvious thing that why "religion" is nonsense: "Any given religion has always more disbelievers than its believers"..:-) Selçuk Mark Rendle <rendle2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:FoJDxI.L0E@lugnet.com... (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mark Rendle <rendle2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:FoJEuB.23x@lugnet.com... (...) I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes I can't get some sentences true, but If I'm getting what you are saying correctly(1), you are just right about (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Isn't "Right Wing Fascist" redundant? -- Mark Rendle rendle99@hotmail.com "Scott E. Sanburn" <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote in message news:388476A5.EE261F...web.net... (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"All art is utterly useless" - Oscar Wilde -- Mark Rendle rendle99@hotmail.com "Jasper Janssen" <jasper@janssen.dynip.com> wrote in message news:38764671.535053...net.com... (...) to (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While that is true, it is still wrong. If we were to prohibit things simply because they offended some group of superstitious primitives or another, there would be precious few things in the world. Music, technology, freedom of expression, art (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Property is Theft. Therefore Intellectual Property is Intellectual Theft.* *If quoted, please attribute, as a lawsuit may offend. -- Mark Rendle rendle2000@hotmail.com "Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing we can do" - Major Tom "Jasper Janssen" (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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< cross posted to off-topic.debate > Rob, (...) That is true, in terms of not bidding if you don't like it, but Ebay is a private firm (AFAIK), and they can impose whatever they want in terms of you using their facility. If you don't like their (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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To All, There has been a lot of what I would call name calling, I admit I am guilty of it as well, and a few posts of this really got to me, especially the right wing religious fascists. Last night, on the History channel, they had a program about (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, Larry? I _was_ kidding. (...) So how do you figure the costs of erosion? TIhe lumber companies own their land, usually, after all. Or they have permission from the owners. And if the use that land to deposit the waste on, why shouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. There is a difference between SEEING content, and thus learning from it (read about "prior art" in the context of patents if you're interested in learning further about this topic), and USING content. If I read a book, that book is (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can see content when you "view source"... Anyway, how do you make that view jive with your copyright views? Let's get back to those, in a separate thread. I can't even find the appropriate posts anymore. You've said earlier that you think (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Government (which is the they in the sentence above) != "people"... Assume the best from people. Assume the worst from government. See the difference? Or in SAT format: People:safe | Government:dangerous (25 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed - I guess that's why the whole a-ism thing has very much an emphasis at a low community level. (...) Heh - thanks! I'm still studying for it, so save the congrats for about 5 months until I get it :) Richard (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sad as it is, I see neither of these things occur very regularly in bog cities. Both break down in the context of millions of teeming ants. (...) Honours, no less? Congratulations... Summa Cum Laude. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Libertopia" comes across (to me) as a name specifically chosen to drive home the point that it _is_ utopia. You did a fairly bad job if the above was what you were trying to convey with the name. Would have been better to avoid any mention of (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quick, someone call the news! Film at eleven. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which would those be? The site is at (URL) . You're probably slightly more up on what you want to know than I am. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah yes... slap a tax on it instead of trying to set things up to get at the root costs, eh? Typical tax and spend thinking. Why not go after lumber companies for causing erosion when they clear cut, and charge the proper amount to dispose of (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but in my understanding (which I'm willing to admit may be flawed) a Libertarian system would grant corporations much more power than they currently experience. James (URL) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Anything really.. following any organised or non organised philosophy may be hazardous to your health. But you can't regulate against unorganised philosophy because there's nothing there! Hope that clears it up! Richard (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmmm... May I suggest DNC pamphlets as well? Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator/CAD Operator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Teeheehee! *ahem* Richard (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh yeah. The little family-owned roasting shops are always better than the big guys. [Shameless plug for] Schuil Coffee in Grand Rapids, MI is a fantastic shoppe. (...) get WARNINGS printed on the front of The Holy Bible, telling potential (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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< cross posted to off.topic.debate > Mr L F Braun wrote: < snipped coffee issues > Hmm, well I worked at the Coffee Beanery for two years, when I ws 16 to 18 years old: (URL) business based in Flushing, Michigan, where I grew up. I still love it! (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What my parents did have nothing to do what I believed in, thank you very much. I chose for what I think is best. My mom never cared too much for politics, and I have not seen my dad in many years. (...) Well, since you know so much about me, (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<387CF961.42F012A7@c...anweb.net> <FoAIpx.I2u@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) HI James, Governments, corporations, charities, people, etc. will all (in general) take and use as much power (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For what it's worth, I have a different take on this than Larry does. I agree that (to me, at least) Libertopia implies "our flavor of utopia" rather than something wholly different. And, I think the use of Liber-rama (which is how I'd spell (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But in Libertopia, everyone who chose to work would have more money due to wildly less government waste. If we all have more money it will be easier to donate more. So maybe there would then be 'enough' charity. right? (...) Does Libertopia (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Certainly I'm willing to consider it. I just don't think you'll be able to convince me. (...) When there are few of you, centralising yourselves and starting small certainly is easier than going for the big bucks right from the start. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You've heard of something called inflation, yes? You also realize that in a libertarian system, all that changes is _who_ pays, not _that_ it's paid? And that when the businesses you buy from pay, you still pay? Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I certainly question it. Fortunately it's not what I've been saying. What I have an issue with is rather the artist who is not willing to suffer, but instead feels the world owes him funding as his due, for deigning to have decided to be an (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now I'm usually quite good at innuendo, but that one has went right over my head and made a nasty mess on the wall. Richard (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Inasmuch as "worthless" is a quality? Actually, most of the Sun papers in Canada and the UK are entertaining at the very least. (...) ...or your flock of German Shepherds? best, Lindsay (25 years ago, 17-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's just not absorbant enough for me.. Richard (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point is that john is wrong, with corroborating evidence. (...) I spend a lot of time in areas the homeless are likely to hang out. It's called the inner city. Look at the statistics sometime - the US has a bigger problem, on average. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In article <MPG.12ebf024c0b516b...gnet.com>, richard.dee@virgin.net says... (...) The Sun is a quality paper, the sports coverage is the best - at least they are truthful, take News of the World who constantly get stuff wrong and the Daily Mail (1) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) The (...) put (...) valve (...) place? (...) impossible (...) event. From a civil suit point of view, it may be sufficient to sue the corporation. Ultimately, the board of directors is responsible. The (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom Stangl, VFAQman wrote in message <388113B3.23F0F572@vfaq.com>... (...) for one (...) to pay for (...) to prove (...) In North Carolina, personal possessions in the car are covered by homeowners/renters insurance, at least by State Farm. There (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All _Canadian_ Sun's are owned by the same people...and yes, they are trashy/semi tabloid. Canada's Papers National Post..Not bad, a Business Newspaper (the local papers by Thompson/Conrad Black are quite good usually) Toronto Star..used to be (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:53:54 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) The other example of trashy "Sun"'s is no doubt based on the UK version? You should check out the UK paper, "The Daily Sport," and its sibling, "The Sunday (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Official what? (...) Ah - *thats* what you mean.. cool, agreed! (...) There's no reason why you couldn't use the existing infrastructure as a scaffolding to create a new one. (...) Except that the federal government can close or open any (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) vote (...) Except, I suppose, officials? (...) great (...) It was a comparison. I wasn't sure if we were ready for square one yet. We need to be sure we are on about the same wavelength. (...) everything (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll give it my best go. (...) I agree - because once you have Social Groupings that organise their own affairs independently, there won't be *MUCH* that you'd need *EVERYONE* to vote on at one time? (...) Well, if that means that you think my (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you hold a company's officers liable? If company X spills toxic goo into a river, who is responsible? The worker who didn't close the valve? The supervisor who didn't make sure it got closed? The process engineer who put the valve near (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, I am not being argumentative just for the sake of it. I am truly having difficulty seeing your side of this, and as is usually the case, wondering why you can't see mine. I made some replies below that I would like you to look at. I am (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm interested in breakdowns... as I've said here before, some kinds of taxes have a more pernicious distorting effect and therefore are worse than others. ++Lar (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message <3880E975.C4916B4E@e...se.net>... (...) world (...) Baggage, hindrance... Yeah, your right, Chris. (...) While there is the similarity of the desire for a small central government with a limited amount of power in (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gave you totals. The total is what matters, not the composition. Jasper (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Government is vastly more accountable than corporations[1] at present. In both cases, virtually the only way something "bad" ever comes into the public view is through inquisitive reporters. When a governemnt is so affected, the people (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly! So you chose the opposite party. (...) Sure. I'm not saying that those things have nothing to do with it. You obviously give these issues some thought, but I still say that people have more hidden baggage behind these kinds of (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good enough for what? What if you look at it differently? What % of your income do you pay as income tax? What would it be if you were in the US doing the same kind of work? What about other forms of taxation? What's your sales tax like? How (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am a little curious as to why no non-Libertarian people have commented so far.. does it look like I've strayed? :) Have I fleshed out the power and funding areas any further, or is there a lot more that I haven't considered? Richard (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Rachel Kingston wrote in message ... (...) Its nice to find someone new to read, who happens to think (at least in this instance) a little like I do! (...) this (...) My definition of art: Art is that which man creates. Creation is a reflection of (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) processed (...) their (...) them (...) Thanks. Thats reason enough for me to boycott Nestle. There are other chocolatiers, at least there are in America. As it bothers you (and me) that others are being (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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