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Re: stuff (was: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message <3884B49F.7877B548@eclipse.net>...
> You know Scott, I really don't get you sometimes. My post was mildly
> derogatory to a faceless group - not to you - and you completely took it
> as an attack.
>
> "Scott E. Sanburn" wrote:
> >
> > Christopher Weeks wrote:
> >
> > > Exactly! So you chose the opposite party.
> >
> > What my parents did have nothing to do what I believed in, thank you
> > very much.
>
> You're welcome to believe what you want. That's fine. I don't happen
> to believe the same thing. I believe that it is essentially impossible
> for the opinions of your parents to have played no role in your
> political beliefs. I'm sorry if that offends or scares you or
> something, but I think that's just how we all work.
>
> > > Sure. I'm not saying that those things have nothing to do with it. • You
> > > obviously give these issues some thought, but I still say that people
> > > have more hidden baggage behind these kinds of decisions than they
> > > typically know.
> >
> > Well, since you know so much about me, tell me why I chose what I did,
> > since I obviously don't know anything!
>
> How do you derive from my general statements about the psychology of
> belief that I claim to know a great deal about you. I know fairly
> little about you. (I think) I know (in no particular order):
>
> 1. You work two jobs (I think you bag groceries and work a CAD package)
> 2. You live in Michigan
> 3. You are very conservative politically
> 4. You are strongly Christian
> 5. You allow more errors in writing to slip through than most people here
> 6. You seem to freak out about stuff from time to time
> 7. You like LEGO
> 8. You are currently annoyed with me
> 9. You have a sister, a father and a mother
> 10. ...(I can't think of anything else right off hand)
>
> > > they're certainly not conservative Republicans. That rank is • designated
> > > for whacked out religious fascists.
> >
> > Talk about name calling!
>
> I guess I meant that as an expression of a generally accepted viewpoint.
> I suppose that was foolish. I generally affiliate most of my peers
> with conservatism and they seem to believe that the far right is
> populated by those who we feel comfortable labeling as 'whacked out
> religious fascists.' YMMV.
>
> > I think libertarian views are very close to
> > true conservative politics,
>
> I think that depends on what you consider conservative politics? (e.g.
> prayer in school, abortion rights, foreign policy, family values,
> renegging on UN debt, Reaganomics, etc.) But I still disagree. I think
> it's about as much like conservative politics (by which I'm assuming you
> mean Republican politics) as it is liberal politics (by which I mean • Democratic).
>
> > I did
> > score a libertarian on that political poll that someone posted earlier
>
> Everyone (well most people) score as libertarians on that. Therein lies
> it's value to the LP.
Hmm. Most people who I disagree with in real life would not score as
Libertarians on that test. In fact I have talked a few into taking it, and
they weren't tricked into believing they were Libertarians. I think the
reason most of the people who have taken it score as Libertarians, is
because it is on a site by Libertarians, is linked to by Libertarians, and
is therefore hit more often by Libertarian thinkers than anyone else. Oh,
how I wish it were true that most people, if they took that test would land
in the Libertarian field, but that's not the true case at all.
> > in this thread, BTW, even though I am a "whacked out religious fascist",
>
> I want it to be clear that I never said that. You are the only one who
> has even so much as implied that you fit that title. I'm not saying by
> this that I think you're not, either. I just don't know.
Well, I have read enough of his post to think he isn't a whacko. I've
also met enough people your circle might call whackos, and they aren't
either. Thats not to say that whackos don't exist, but they are the extreme
right of the right, maybe about 1 or 2% or less of the whole party. Whereas
in this country, most moderates (undecideds, not specifically right or left)
are closer to the left and the left has far more whackos (extremists is
probably a better way to put it) than the right has (1). Just my POV, feel
free to disagree.
> > What do you consider yourself, so I can line up the proper name calling • on you?
>
> Human. What do you mean? In what sense? I am sympathetic to the
> libertarian political movement, but I am more extreme. I am non
> religious. I suppose my views are sufficiently divergent from the norm
> that whacked-out would mildly fit.
Whacked-out is OK, but not whacko. I agree - you can call me whacked
out, and I won't tear you to pieces. Whacko on the other hand...
Although I don't feel that I am the one who is whacked out, but that all
those who think I am are!
> > > That rank is designated
> > > for whacked out religious fascists.
> >
> > You know, this statement really keys me in to what most people think,
> > which is so not true its pitiful, but I don't feel like going into it at
> > this point.
>
> Really, it shoudl only key you into what I think. I'm not most people.
> Please tell me what is pitiful about what you believe I think based on
> the label I used. I mean this quite seriously.
You said yourself that your circle uses that term, so its not just what
you think. I agree with Scott, that you hear this particular brand of name
calling in all kinds of media, and even in private conversations. A lot
(maybe even most) of people in the US do think this way, whether they have
given it any thought or not. It is pitiful. Its not PC to ridicule blacks
anymore, so lets ridicule people with religion instead. Lets call them
whackos and extremists.
> > > > I have seen too many examples of socialism failing, and the • Democratic
> > > > party seems to be the place for leftists, socialists, etc. That is • why.
> > > > I could care less what my parents do, in terms of their voting • record.
> > >
> > > I believe that you could care less.
> >
> > Care less about what? My parents? Could you clarify, or just call me
> > fascist again?
>
> Fascist!
>
> Psych! No really, I was making a subtle (which at least one person
> noticed) comment on the commonly misused phrase "I could care less"
> which should be "I couldn't care less." The former is a vernacular
> resulting from lazy ignorance over the years. It is used to mean the
> opposite of what it quite obviously does mean. It seemed particularly
> fitting in this case because you were using it to exclaim that you don't
> care what the opinions of your parents are, when in fact you literally
> suggested that you do care - and maybe even implied that you care more
> than just a little.
Maybe that was a lapsus linguae?
> I hope it was OK for me to do both - call you a fascist again and clarify.
Its a free country! Right?!
1 - In my primary education, we were told that the extremes were
totalitarian types of government - on the right extreme there are
authoritarians (fascists), and on the left extreme there are socialists
(communists). From my front porch, I can see more folks bent on communism
than fascism, today. In fact, socialism doesn't even appear to be
considered extreme anymore.
--
Have fun!
John
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