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"David Koudys" <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca> wrote in message news:HI2ppH.205L@lugnet.com... (...) You're making this far more complicated than it needs to be. I say no one will take the fall. They will start stamping shiny, new Comemmorative Silver (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I definitely agree that people can listen to whatever they want (though it's a shame that Pat doesn't feel the same way). However, I question whether he (as head of the Christian Coalition (of the willing?) truly has no power. Within the last (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Republicans tend to spend the Federal budget into hideous deficits while cutting useful[1] social programs, so that any subsequent tax that Democrates apply to restore such programs can be villified as "tax-and-spend" liberals. [1] I know, I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, at least he's not actually in a position of any real power. You can't prevent people from choosing what they want to listen to or regard as a valuable resource. I know Pat Robertson is painfully offensive for many of us, but you will find a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Naw. When everyone is pointing fingers at each other it's hard to single out the most culpable person, so they all get sent to their rooms early and without any dinner -- but that's it! Which is to say, that everyone is taking on a little (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> I loved The Daily Show! But alas, I cancelled my extended cable package and no longer get Comedy Central. Dave K (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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NOW: In Depth Transcript -- Bill Moyers Interviews Jon Stewart (URL) Stewart: Well, that's interesting. Well, that's a difference of opinion, and certainly that's what this country is about. Differences of opinion. Mr. President, let me just get (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Let's place some bets-- I say it's Cheney: (URL) troubles me is not that single episode, but the broader pattern of dishonesty and delusion that helped get us into the Iraq mess -- and that created the false expectations undermining our occupation (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) think the operative phrase in the piece is "prayer offensive." It certainly is in this case. As an interesting sidebar, and as a demonstration of his moral righteousness, Robertson is apparently a Charles Taylor All-Star: (URL) this we gather (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He probably never even had those weapons. this war was total useless ness. i mean, are we any safer? no! if saddam had weapons we could just keep track of him. Now we havnt a CLUE who has the weapons if there were any at all!!! Gee, you know, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As usual, John -- not too much information, have you? We wouldn't want to sully your political perspective with anything like facts or meaningful conjecture... Something like $80 - $100 million were spent on the Clinton Whitewater and "Oval (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The point is that there are actual links between the Saudi government and OBL. There are no such links between OBL and Saddam. (...) OK (URL) please read> (...) Well the mass media passed on the propaganda didn't they. They just happened to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look, I don't claim to understand everything that is going on in Saudi Arabia. Do they sponsor terrorism? Maybe, but then why is OBL persona non grata in the Kingdom? Perhaps the right sheik doesn't know what the left sheik is sponsoring. I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) with those of its master. The 45 minute statement is a Blair thing: (URL) as noted earlier today. And as Kooties has noted elsewhere, the poodle and its master are meeting later in the week to get their mutual story straightened out and (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's a tidy compilation of most of my point: (URL) Dave! (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're so cynical, Dave! Too bad it is not more contagious, it might keep more politicians on their toes. In theory, I'd like to see taxes so low that much of what we now have as part of local, state, and federal governments would be (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well that's the first thing I have heard on the subject that makes any sense at all. (...) Personally I think the real reason the Democrats are always against tax cuts is so they can spend the money on their social engineering agenda rather (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> And right from CNN-- (URL) think the intelligence I get is darn good intelligence, and the speeches I have given were backed by good intelligence," Bush said. " 'Cause as my wonderful PM would say, "The proof is in the proof. You know it's a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? Pretty much every discussion about the economy that I hear gives Reagan all the credit for the mid/late 90's boom, while all the blame for the Dubya-era recession goes to Clinton. I would go so far as to say that, among conservative (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) K, I don't follow American issues *that* closely, but didn't Bush sr. talk about "VooDoo Economics", and wasn't the basis of "VooDoo economics" tax cuts for the rich, such that the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't heard anyone using the ten-year-trail other than economics teachers period. In that context it makes sense, outside that context is anyones guess. (...) I haven't acctually heard anyone saying that. (...) That is because most people (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well at least that would be consistent. :-D Seriously though I see what your getting at. (...) I was simply wondering why we are calling them that when prior to the war Bush & company stated we were not going to occupy the country for the sake (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And yet the Saudi government has done nothing. (...) Yeah cause dictatorships are a "way of life" we actually care about protecting. (...) So what is the basis of your disagreement. (...) Yeah its only been cited practiclly every time the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But have you heard Democratic administrations using the apparent ten-year delay as evidence of the strength of their own policies (ie, those that come to fruition during Republican administrations) or to commend Republicans for enacting (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The best bit: " President Bush and Prime Minister Blair will be meeting in Washington later this week when they will discuss their strategy to justify the claims. " Justify their claims, not discern the truth, not to find out what went wrong, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I must remind the reader that no credible link has been shown to exist between Al-qaeda and Saddam Hussein, so any references to "{1,000s of AMERICANS} who died on {OUR} soil" are irrelevant to the issue of Dubya's decision to send thousands (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Core of weapons case crumbling (URL) Of the nine main conclusions in the British government document "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction", not one has been shown to be conclusively true. This one's a good redaction of the main issues. Quite short (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is -- thanks for recognizing that. Too bad some of the rest of you are so mentally challenged. (...) Where is the QUESTION? A declarative statement is not a question. You stated: "I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hehe, I have to laugh every time I hear that. Sure there were probably con artists that sold back yard programs to "fix" PCs, but the Y2K "problem" was in fact a problem, in that a lot of money had to be spent to fix it. And fixed it was (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My reply to what? You snipped the context thankyouverymuch. Bad form. (...) Then pray tell why did you even reply to this post? (...) What a silly thing to say! As if providing "cites" bestows merit on a particular post. (...) Sorry, Richard, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some are and some aren't. A policy that said we would consistently attack (with nuclear weapons) any country that had a leader that said "Bush is a weenie" would be indeed consistent, but worse than what we have now. (...) Because they're a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We know Saudis perpetrated it; whether they were government sponsored or not is unclear. I tend to think not. OBL is a criminal in Saudi Arabia, and the Wahabi sect of Islam is just as dangerous to their way of life as it is to ours. (...) We (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well consider what has transpired. The Governement has "accomplished" much that public opinion never would have allowed prior to 9/11. What have the perpetrators' supporters gained? Why has there not been another attack despite the fact that (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Another bit... MEMO TO COLIN POWELL (URL) MEMO TO COLIN POWELL: You'd think that as distinguished an old soldier as Colin Powell would know that when you find yourself in a hole, you stop digging. But that's the opposite of what the secretary of (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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More on blame obfuscation: CIA Got Uranium Reference Cut in Oct. Why Bush Cited It In Jan. Is Unclear (URL) CIA Director George J. Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have a reference to Iraq seeking uranium from Niger (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Snipped a lot of stuff to focus on a couple of bits... (...) I think that may be going a bit far. The government did a poor job of acting on evidence it had before it, but that's a lot different than actually "letting" the attacks succeed. There's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's your reply? It is absolutely a waste of time to discuss anything with you -- a person that does nothing but reiterate the nonsensical and empty platitudes of his favorite party. If you could but once come here with a cite from anyone (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well that is about the only thing we have accomplished thus far, except for the "world freely" part. (...) Right so after Afganistan, Saudi Arabia was the only country that we can actually prove did that. (...) Well given that there are more (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So then how does that differ from how we reacted after 9-11? There wasn't any country responsible for that attack. Whom or what would you wipe off the planet? (...) No, Mike, I mean as in protecting oil fields so that they may be marketed to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So if we declare nuetrality and state that anyone whom attacks the U.S. will be wiped off the planet that would accomplish that goal. (...) See above. (...) Hmm. Protecting our way of life huh? You mean like ignoring the bill of rights. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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