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| | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) What parts don't you like? --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Mark de Kock
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| | | | | | | (...) Todd, due to technical dificulties over here, I can only read lugnet newsgroups via my InternetBrowser. The new layout is very confusing indeed. It took me a long time to find out where I could reply to a post. I am also missing the overview (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I have to agree here - as a user of the web interface, it was very disorienting this morning - especially since I hadn't had my coffee yet ;). I suspect that, for the most part, it's just a matter of getting used to the layout, and once that (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Do you mean the indented quoted text on the full-article view? Too light and too small? (...) Would it be better if the first More: All | Brief | Compact link on each group page repeated the 4 shown messages when you clicked it? In other (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes and no. I hadn't actually noticed that yet when I posted that, but yes, I find the quoted text too small/light/hard to read. I thought it worked quite well when quoted text was simply italicized and faded once, rather than getting (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) And, as I forgot to mention, the text size is also too small (for me) to be comfortably scanned on the compact listings (and presumably on the others, as well) (...) OO! OO! Tried it. Liked it. No further testing necessary. Now, if only I (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I could make the subject line one size larger in the compact listings, if that would help. It's at SIZE="-2" now, and it could probably go to SIZE="-1" and still fit 20 messages on a 800x600 laptop display. (...) OK, give that a shot now. (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That would make life happier. (...) Wow. Has anyone ever told you that you're amazing, Todd? I know where my nomination for 'webmaster of the decade' is going. (...) Every single message I've looked at does it. I've taken a peek at a couple (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oh. I think I know what you mean now. There's really nothing odd going on there. You're just seeing the natural width of the articles -- they're all 80-column text. It's probably just a bit misleading because they're shown in the default (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) everything's ok ;-) Thanks again for being the most responsive webmaster on the face of the planet. James (URL) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, lots of other people were having the same gripe about it. It's fixed now. (...) You're saying you have an issue of readability with the font size? Can you send a screenshot? (...) What if clicking "Brief" gave you #96-#77, and clicking (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | OK, you've forced me out of lurkerdom with the new interface. I realize as a lurker, my opinions may be less valuable than some, but since you seem to be open to suggestions... I like seeing the recent news on the front page, but I would prefer to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, check out the traffic page now. (URL) 4 messages is NEVER enough to catch up after a few hours of work. 20 is (...) The 4-message intro pages aren't really intended to be used as a newsreader. They're there as an invitation to see what a (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I like it! I like it a lot better! Now if you could attach the message titles to the little blue squares and make a bigger mousing target I'd be completely happy. Well actually, while you're at it there is one more small thing, and someone (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Try again now. :) (...) Here's some important information about search boxes: (URL) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, that's it! And the "gimme 40 more messages" button is even better. (...) I realize you can indirectly get to the set picture by typing the number in the "search newsgroups" box and then hitting the link at the top. I was just hoping to (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You can always do what I did: put a link to the Browse Pause page in your toolbar. It is the same number of clicks, but you don't have to type a URL, and if you need to look for a set that you don't know the number for, all the data is right (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) perfect. (...) Oh! No! You're ruining it! So far Todd has done everything I asked for. Your solution would require actual work on MY part. Actually it would require ALL users to do extra work. And I would have to add this to every machine that (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A lurkers opinion (formerly: Re: 2 Things...) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, now there's a way to switch modes when you enter a group area -- you can click the "Redisplay: All | Compact" links to switch views. If you want to read just some specific group without its subgroups, you can also click a special link in (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Let's try this... Let's try an old 1994 web design trick: Not setting any LINK= or VLINK= attributes at all in the <BODY> tag, and letting the browser use its defaults, whatever they may be (usually bright blue and dark magenta). How does it (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <In best televangelist voice> "Ah cahn see!" To be slightly more informative: That does make a difference. The links are significantly more distinct, regardless of the size of the little box. It also doesn't detract from the impression of the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thank you! Lugnet looks wonderful with my colors (works well with the background colors, too), which I've found to work on just about every website I've been to! ;) Link color: R0 G128 B0 (Green) Vlink color: R128 G64 B0 (Brownish-Orange) Jeff (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, James, there are now a couple links for redisplaying the current message listing in a different detail level -- i.e., from Brief to Compact or vice-versa. At the top of the entry-page columns there are now two links: Redisplay Messages: (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Do you know if it would have been less confusing if the Reply hadn't moved from the top of the page to the bottom? (...) Do you mean the skinny one-line list of messages that appeared before, right when you entered the group? (...) What task (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Jonas Marcho
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| | | | | | Well Todd, the entire layout is a lot less 'convienient' and 'user friendly' than the previous one. It's too much jargin to deal with. (25 years ago, 24-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) OK, bye. --Todd (25 years ago, 24-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Jonas, How much time have you spent with it so far, and how many and what types of pages did you view before arriving at this conclusion? What parts do you feel are less convenient? What parts do you feel are less friendly? If you could wave a (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | (...) There seems to be more emphasis on the news section of Lugnet. This seems like a good idea to me. Especially since the news service @ Lugnet is what I most frequently use anyway. So making more people aware of this service is a good thing, I (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) It was time for a visibility boost in a big way. Plus, new hierarchical design/layout of the www site is geared toward mixing the data-browsing experience with the discussion experience. There's still a lot to do, of course, and many more (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) One thing, though, it may be a good idea to retain the Pause database search box on the front page? I figure a lot of people use it. Fredrik (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) It'll come back in a different (and better) form where it's interleaved with the other search results. There'll be a /lego/ section off the main www root homepage for restricting the search just to the LEGO database portions, after the other (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Mike Faunce
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| | | | | | | I'll second that vote (for the set search on the main page). Or at least a direct link to a set search .. if there's one there, I don't see it. Mike Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) buttons, (...) the (...) get (...) Newsgroups (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) There is a direct link to a set search, yes. But it's not prominent enough. It's in the list of Links & Resources on the left. Last night I made the main search give a forwarding link to the sets-DB if it's given a number. --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) Another annoying thing, I'm not sure what you're doing to set the text size, but on my Netscape at work, the text now comes out almost too small to read. (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Are you talking about the text from previous messages? Not only is it too small, it is too light! I have a hard time even seeing it because it blends into the background. The current-message text is still the same size, at least for me. Jeff (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) All the text on the Lugnet home page. (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Especially the site menu. Steve (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The sub-categories at the top? What browser are you using, what OS, what screen mode, and what monitor size? And do you have Verdana or Arial? --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Them too. But I meant the Links and Resources menu. (...) IE5, Win98, 1600x1200 (browser *not* maximized), 21". (...) It seems to be coming out Verdana, like it should. Steve (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You're talking about 2 and 3 messages back, right? 1 message back looks OK? What if 2 & 3 back looked the same as 1 back? It's harder to visualize the flow of the message that way, but maybe it'll be more immediately readable. (...) yeah, that (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think that would be best. I never had any trouble visualizing the message flow anyways. :) Jeff (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, done. --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Christopher Masi
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| | | | | | | Yep, I vote for set search on the front page too. I blindly put the name of the set into the box at the top of the page and was greeted with several articles. I was momentarily confused. I thought I had put in the wrong url. I did find the Pause (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Was this before or after the additional text was added?-- Looking for a LEGO set by number? Try Here! ~~~...~~~ (That's what comes up at the top if you type in a numeric query. The "Try here" part is a link into the sets-DB.) (...) Aha, OK, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Christopher Masi
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| | | | | | | | Sorry, I left you hanging. I was serching by name, so I just got a list of articles. Thanks for adding the set search box...I'm a netscape user mostly. Chris (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | About the set search box... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | Re: About the set search box... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | If I had to choose between either a group search or set search on the main entry page, I'd choose set. Put the group search behind the link in the case where you can't display both, not the set. Heck, the set search should be on every page. It's (...) (25 years ago, 30-Jun-99, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) Yup! (...) Something like that would be wonderful. (...) Hmmm, I wonder if off-site pages would really benefit from a rigid template, because that could be left to the on-site pages for the subgroups. (It'd be nearly impossible to enforce an (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: 2 Things... —Mike Walsh
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