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| | | | | Re: New legend is up —David Eaton
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| | | | | (...) Well, I dunno if it was *quite* an equal chance. Let's say they instigate another Legend vote and select as hopefuls: - 6836 V-Wing Fighter - 6399 Airport Shuttle - 2539 Batwing Flyer - 6256 Islander Catamaran Now, a vote it may be, but even (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I'm sure part of the selection was because they wanted to include sets of different sizes. There also may be issues with production on the sets you mention. And let us further note that within Lugnet the Battrax is rated 92, the BSB 94, the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Well, point of the example wasn't to say that it's the *same* as what was offered, but that just because there's a vote doesn't mean it's the voters' "fault". IE that it's possible for TLC to give certain nominees a better/worse chance of (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) Yes, but the counter-point was that all sets were highly rated and therefore it was still the fault of public opinion - if the Battrax was such a sure fire loser, perhaps people should rethink their rating of it. I'll be curious if there are (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | (...) Assuming that Lugnet voting stats were what set their standards, I suppose so. But I'd hope they put more criteria into their research. Basically, I coulda predicted that it was at a disadvantage (I suppose I have no way of knowing that it (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) ...except for the "classic" releases of the Red Beard Runner, Armada Flagship and Enchanted Island. Not the greatest Pirate sets ever, by any means, but freely available. Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hmm. It may be true that there is no single archetypical Space set, but I can come up with a fair list of sets that I'd be happy to see as Legends. I've compiled such a list, but I might be biased. I'm definitely working from incomplete (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> One of my favorites is the <set:6980> Galaxy Commander. Nice form/function and whoosh-able too! -Duane (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | (...) Not to disagree, but rather to offer an alternative position, I have to say I wish they'd look to some of the _smaller_ sets as possible reissues. Back when the Legends series was first announced, I posted a suggestion stating this. For some (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | | | | (...) <snip list of sets> (...) Yes. I would agree, you don't need a large set to become a legend. I would find it a problem for the kiddies, too. (of which I am one) While the 'average' kid would scrape up ar beg for the dough of a 25 dollar set, (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think a problem we AFOLs have is that our judgements of "classic" and "legendary" are often confused with nostalgia. "Heritage buildings" have the same problem. I think to be truly classic or legendary a set would have to appeal to kids (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think it should be 'because it's full of specialised parts' rather than 'despite it being full of specialised parts'. Consider that a reasonable facsimile of the Yellow Castle could be made from most LEGO collections (possibly from a blue (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Certainly a nice set for its time, with some nice pieces for its time (after all, inverse slopes were still something of a novelty in 1976). But only a classic "for it's time". It's not hard to see how some part substitutions and a bit of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | Hey, wow, are there a lot of sets in 1976 with inverse slopes? Are there any in 1975? Erling Thue Dideriksen and Jens Nygaard Knudsen are credited as the inventors of the inverse slope, er, "toy building block for supplementing existing block sets", (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The helicopter in the 386 Rescue Vehicles set contains at least a dozen inverse slopes and another 18 slopes. It also contains two interior corner slopes. Not sure what those are called, but they create a 90 degree turn. The 371 also contains (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | This could be compared to the rollout of curve slopes in 2002. (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think the set stands as a fine example of traditional LEGO building using fairly standard bricks, slopes and plates. I wouldn't change a thing. :) Of course, also remember, I was only offering this an an example of the _type_ of smaller set (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Indeed. But I think it's important to get a better handle on what's desirable and what is not. For me, anyway, if it's pre minifig era, it's not that interesting of a set. (regardless of whether it has slopes or inverse slopes or what have (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) In what way? Some sort of unofficial vote perhaps? Or are you referring to something else? (...) This is probably true for some people. Though I'm not sure how the minifig and good set design are related. (...) And to me they are interesting. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Agreed. And I still wonder ONE thing - if the 375 reissue would have been noted to be released in GREY instead of yellow, how would the voting have gone then? I voted for Main Street. I have ZERO interest in Castle. But if they would have done (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I would as well. For the same reason. I could turn it into buildings other than a castle. I wonder if there is any harm in LEGO even _considering_ an idea like this? That is..... rereleasing an old set in a color that didn't exist when the set (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up ))Color Variants(( —Richard Noeckel
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It’s a great idea, and something I believe has been discussed here before. I personally sense that a Dark Gray, Gray, or ultra cool “light Blue” 375 would be outstanding choice set to deliver a variant reproduction offer. (...) The topic of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Allan Bedford writes: <LEGO(r) should consider rereleasing sets in other colors> I don't think anyone would argue this point. Ben aus BS in particular would agree with you and has passionately argued against the same color in the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) LEGO still has blue as a colour? ;-) Jude (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —A. Mark Wilburn
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | ... (...) Actually, I not only totally agree with Tom and Alan here, but let me take it 1 step further. Colour is very important to me; I think what makes the Jedi Starfighter and Episode II slave I look so good (other than the specialized pieces (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oh yeah, I would've voted for an all grey 375 too! <drool> And not just because I'm a castle fan either! -Bryan (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | First let me say that I would like to see some smaller sets rereleased as well as large ones. Sets the size of Guarded Inn, Pizza to Go, etc are the backbone of the line and sell in larger quantities as new sets. So I have no argument with the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't know, I think 384 stands up pretty well. Sure, it doesn't have seats, and perhaps is a bit short for minifigs, so it's not perfect, but Steve Barile's looks nice on the PNLTC mall layout (I haven't heard anyone comment on the fact that (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) How can you reconcile saying that this set "looks clunky and outdated in blue" with claiming that (URL) "stands as a fine example of traditional LEGO building using fairly standard bricks, slopes and plates"? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) a) Traditional LEGO built models often do look clunky. (old school stuff that I'm always harping about) I didn't mean it as a slam against them, just kind of stating the obvious as I saw it. b) I think the grey makeover would make it look ever (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —William R. Ward
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Manfred Moolhuysen
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| | | | | | | | (...) 420/611 Legoland - Police Car 442 Classic Space - Space Shuttle 770/386 Legoland - Red Cross Helicopter and Ambulance 712_1/371_3 Legoland - Sea Plane 487/924 Classic Space - Transporter 918_1 Classic Space - Space Transport With friendly (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | | (...) That is true. Even though smaller sets are more 'effecient' and can be brought in bulk, people still go for the large sets. (...) True, true. (...) Yes, that would be true. What happened to space exploration versus space warfare? :( (...) (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Timothy Carl Buchheim
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Michael Dallaston
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, this time round, but remember you've got to 'share da brick' with other themes and I'm not just saying that because I'm a piratehead too. Okay then maybe I am. (...) If the old style helmet reissue is not on the cards (you can tell this (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | | (...) The other thing about the larger sets is that we were probably less likely to buy them when we were kids, but now we're adults with more cash to spend, and we'd love to get that set we always wanted as a kid but couldn't afford. I was a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | | (...) The only problem with this argument is that it makes the assumption that everyone buying a Legends set is an adult who missed buying it the first time 'round. I would suggest that perhaps a greater majority of buyers would be first-time (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) Well if you had emailed in a bid for $90 you probably could have gotten the Beta-1 Command Base from that LEGO auction Sunday in Sacramento. Course, it's probably just as well you didn't-- I won it for $85 (which was $20 over my limit, but as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | Maggie, those Knight's Procession sets also were my favoritest auction surprise find, ever. Hope you get maximum early-castle thrill from them! -Erik who thought about going to the trouble of bidding for 383 (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, Erik! (...) It went for $100 to the same man who won the yellow castle for $290. I don't think he was an AFOL. But then, I probably looked like I was there to bid on the dolls, so who knows? BTW the woman who runs the auction said they (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) So you were actually there and got to glance at all the Lego, huh? (Madame Alexander dolls too I suppose) Those are pretty serious prices for 383 and 375. (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, I'll probably never see a collection of Lego like that in the same place in such perfect shape again. No smoke odor and it had been stored in large Rubbermaid type containers for awhile (evidently the owner has been dead for a couple of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: New legend is up —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | (...) Am I just blind or something? Where did that info come from? Kerry (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —John Herre
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | Top 5 for main street: 1 The town/city theme has been set aside these last years and needs to come back. 323 463 69% 2 I loved the Town/City in this period. I miss these kind of sets, with true LEGO pieces (not pre-made macro-blocks). Those minifig (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | | | (...) come (...) The voice of the AFOL seems to be coming through loud and strong on Main Street too. IMHO, reasons 1, 2, 4 are very nostalgic or backward-looking in a way that would only make sense for an adult. 5 is also somewhat backward looking (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | | I am trying to work out if we can deduce anything of statistical significance from the vote/view/rate information revealed on the My Opinions page for the different Legend candidates. For example, the top rated responses for the Barracuda (the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) It depends on how early in the voting the opinion was first added to the list. If I recall, the top vote getter was only around 50-60 when I added that bit about the Barracuda (yes, I mentioned it here out of sheer vanity since it was the top (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —John Morgan
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Michael Dallaston
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| | | | (...) Gut evenink Kerry, here are the resuults of the Battrax Vote (/eurovision song contest) 1 I think that it just looks cool and looks like something from the future. 435 votes, 749 views, 58% rate 2 This is a cool set and with a command base (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | That's all five. Unfortunately, deducing anything from these is iffy because you don't know how early in the voting these choice were available. The only one I can vouch for is the lead Pirates choice, since I'm responsible for it. The total number (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | (...) Jake responded to a question I posted over on fbtb.net that they won't release the actual vote totals, and that the order in which they are listed on the lego.com site has no relation to what was first place, second place, etc. Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: New legend is up —Allan Bedford
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| | | | (...) I think from a business perspective this is a smart move. This is proprietary marketing data. No reason at all to release it to the public. Bravo to them for making a sound decision on this issue. Regards, Allan B. (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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