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Hi everybody, My name is Jeroen Ottens. I work at Lego Futura Technic Billund (the development department of Lego as you will probably know). ... Yes I am one of TLG ... My job is to design some of the new Lego Technic models. However I am also (...) (26 years ago, 12-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Well, lessee... If I was in a LEGO club, what would I want? A discount on selected merchandise would be nice. Perhaps getting first dibs on the newest, hottest items would also be a good idea. Contests with cool prizes that weren't just (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Hi! Thanks for coming here! (you probably also want to start this discussion on usenet (rec.toys.lego) I would guess that the four overwhelming responses you're going to hear are: 1: We want TLG to pay attention to us, 2: We want more (service (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Hi everybody, Thansk for your quick, big and enthusiast responses. I'm trying to catch everything as it is posted, but there are a lot of people reacting and the thread is rapidly spreading... If you think I definitely should read your message, (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) <snip> (...) Emailed, posted to Lugnet and rec.toys.lego - It has already reached there! I have read the entire thread and taken some notes. From these I have come up with many things to say. Firstly, an international club would be great. I (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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David Till <esvvn@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote in article <F73A7z.Fst@lugnet.com>... <snip> Finally, noting the times of your posts, the first around midnight, the second on a saturday morning I deduce these are not comming from work. If you *are* in (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) This would be nice of course, but even nicer with an on-line extension, to cover people from neigbourhoods, that are not crowd enough to form a local club. I'm the only AFOL on the net from Turkey (of corse there could be some, but I don't (...) (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Technic 1* 16 beams by the pound... I'll take 5 kilos. :) Jasper (26 years ago, 13-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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I'll no doubt post a more detailed response later. For now, here's what I want, apologies in advance if the terseness makes it read as rude. 1. TLG must take the AFOL community seriously. We are a small market, but an influential one, and one that (...) (26 years ago, 15-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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c /Jerome/Jeroen/ * * Sigh. Larry Pieniazek wrote: <blather> (Jerome, you're a good start...) <blather> (26 years ago, 15-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) ...snip... smummarizing Larry: (...) I agree with Larry. I would probably not bother to join such a club if it did not offer service packs and bulk parts for adult modelers. This newsgroup and individual websites are providing a wealth of (...) (26 years ago, 15-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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D Blomberg wrote: <snipped a pretty good summary... (1) Too bad I could not get to the point that well :-) > (...) Agreed. EXCEPT for the fact that no matter how we rearrange things, we cannot get a green 1x4x3 train window to appear for a (...) (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) YM /s/Jerome/Jeroen/ HTH. HAND. Jasper (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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I'm not getting into editor wars with you. :-) My syntax was XEDIT. If you've ever written an Xedit macro in exec2 instead of REXX, you're old. Communication was did. (...) (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I have by now forgotten what that syntax I used was originally from, but I've gotten used to it on ASR. :) (...) It could be me, but I don't get it? Jasper (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Hello Jeroen, Thank you for contacting us. TLG has not done much to acknowledge that LEGO has adult followers. As someone who has been in contact with TLG personnel over the years (even USA TLG President Peter Eio), I know that your company has (...) (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I posted a similar suggestion on lugnet.general. I'd truly love to see it actually happen. (...) Wow... what is it that they say about "great minds"? :) (...) Uhmmm.... no comment. <weak grin> (...) This would be cool. Although it might reduce (...) (26 years ago, 16-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Like Larry Pieniazek wrote, (...) I would talk so loud, because it happend before. Who had ever dreamed of seeing light blue bricks. But LEGO modellers used them for the Tower Bridge model in 1996, listed although but not free available.I think they (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Sorry if this offends but I don't think that anyone who HAS vintage sets and honestly plans to keep them would care less if that same set were rereleased in the exact same colors. People who have old sets they are sitting on in hopes of (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Actually, it doesn't matter to me personally either. I was merely attempting to be sensitive to the needs of people that I would imagine are actually out there. I would have guessed, however, contrarary to what you are saying, that many people (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) That's a saying/shorthand from NITPICK FORUM back in my IBM days... Here's more detail: "Communication was did." is ungrammatical. Everyone knows it. But most people can quickly parse out that the statement is saying that some communication (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Mark, I'm not just picking fights with you, honest. :-) I spent close on to 800 to get my two airport shuttles. I would not be mad, or upset or disappointed if I could all of a sudden buy more of them for closer to the original MSRP. I'd just (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I guess that's the difference between someone who "collects" Lego stuff for the sake of collecting it and someone who wants to amass a collection of Lego stuff for the sake of having cool stuff, if that makes sense. My 6067 is valuable to me (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Yes! In fact, if this were an externally measurable thing and if we ever had a need to sort the AFOLs from the speculators, it would be a pretty good criteria. But it's not externally measurable, and we don't have a need to do any sorting, I (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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I agree with Mike. When you look at the vast number of sets that have been produced over the last 41 years, what difference does a few make. I have a lot of old sets, and nothing would make me happier that to purchase more of the older sets. I (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Yes, owning something rare makes it special and highly prized. But when I look at all my old sets, I realize that if TLG does ever make new versions of any of these old sets, it will only be a small fraction of them, and not all old sets. So (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I agree with this attitude. And this is exactly why I see little reason for re- releasing archaic sets. Let me give an example: My 8 year-old brother and his friends seem to have similar criteria for selecting lego sets. They like new or rare (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Okeedoke. I'm obviously wrong about my ideas about the re-release of older sets. I thought that there would be a group of collectors who would not want old sets to be rereleased because it decreases the value (not necessarily monetary) of the (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) This ring sounds pretty fascinating, can you give more details on it? Whos idea was it and what is it you mean by calling it a ring? What happened to their market once the jetpack appeared? (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Actually, I think you're taking me a bit more literally than I intended. Many of the boys (and some of the girls, apparently) in his third grade class were heavily into Legos at the same time, and taking Legos to school led to arranging trades (...) (26 years ago, 17-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) When LEGO is outlawed, only outlaws will have LEGO ?? :-) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) It is a cop-out of sorts. But the sad reality is that, with the possible exception of the Star Wars sets (and there are rumors Lucas insisted on higher quality for those), almost all of the current and recent sets SUCK. So yeah, I'd love to be (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) vintage sets. (...) attractive (...) both (...) EXACTLY how I feel. If you buy 'em and put 'em on a shelf without even playing with them, why don't you just stockpile Furby's instead! Dave (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) idea (...) rather (...) the (...) That would be fine if these new sets also contained older pieces which are no longer available in certain colors. Parts is what it all comes down to. I think any serious Lego collector could build some of the (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) And what about the text in a lot of the older LegoCatalogues? Doesn't it state "and when you don't have the exact pieces you need, you try to build the model with different pieces" (It did say this in the '83 catalogue) Isn't THAT what (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:10:46 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote: Lar also wrote (which attribution he snipped. Naughty Larry.) (...) <snip explanation> (...) Immensely. I'd never seen that particular phrase before - and that's confusing, (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) This is odd. The references line seems to be ok, yet Larry's post appeared as threaded to the original post in the thread, rather than what he was replying to. (...) Hell no. Just like with guns, psychos who feel they need guns to defend (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Hi guys, Like Mark wrote its the same for me but even worse, I even dont think that old sets are more valuable then recent sets. The only problem is that some collectors' are spoiling the market for the players. The only value of an old or rare set (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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I think a good way to handle it would be to either 1) Have a distinct number on the re-issued set (EX:6991A) or 2) Have Classic set printed on the instructions and the box, to distinguish those from the originals. That way, the original sets would (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Mark, Definitely not the point. I think TLG made the statement (I think it was in the older Idea Catalogues) about using parts you have simply because children cannot afford to buy the sets for the parts. Most AFOL do have financial means to buy the (...) (26 years ago, 18-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) sets to (...) Few here are collectors first. To coin a Larry phrase "love of the brick" is the primary modivator. Scalper is the most evil name you can be called here, seconded by speculator. The more re-release sets = the better. In fact if I (...) (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) But if you need 450 black 1x4 bricks to build something, it looks pretty weird if you try to use the other "available" pieces to complete it :) Maybe that's why my 5571 trailer is stalled in mid construction until those packages arrive. Hey, I (...) (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Scott, Not that I don't like you or anything, but I _have_ to disagree. Back in those days, a lot of the Lego advertisements were about creating you own models. One of those that springs in mind is this picture of a kid with a thing in his (...) (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Barry McFarland writes/wrote/has written: (...) LOL B-) And what is wrong with adventurer sets? <duck under desk> Or did I say something folish? B-) If you want to use 450 black 1x4 bricks and you have only, say, 400. Why not add 100 1x2 black (...) (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Hi everybody, I am concentrating my posting/responses on lugnet.general (unless Todd wants me to move somewhere else). Jeroen Ottens (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) That sounds fine. Here (lugnet.dear-lego) is fine too, but this group was really intended more as a "post your thoughts" and "write letters" kind of group than a in-depth-and-ongoing discussion group. --Todd (26 years ago, 19-Feb-99, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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