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Hi Matt,
I too think that it would be a good idea to dive a bit into LOTR. Not,
however, to get story/character ideas. You are taking the correct path, IMO,
in creating your own world and creatures.
The value from LOTR, I believe, will come from the way Tolkien writes
dialogue. This has been my biggest stumbling block with your story. I've
tackled the scene with Skye and Dash a couple of more times, and I'm still
confused about who's on what side of the secular/theocracy issue, or what
social stigma's are attributed to whom for associating with the other (clear
as mud?). The dialogue between Ludan and Sergei is also confusing.
I have no problem with a scene that is essentially dialogue, with only a few
references to surroundings, so I'm not trying to tell you to kill the scene.
Rather, I'm trying to understand it.
Tolkien was able to convey through dialogue whether someone was a commoner
or aristocracy. It wasn't necessarily through using big words, so the
aristocracy was able to talk in a way that us commoners could still follow
the story.
I would suggest for the dialogue trying a two-step process for re-writing.
First, have the characters speak in plain language that's easy to follow.
Second, once the message of the dialogue is clearly set out, "punch up" the
language a bit, sometimes through words, but also through the character's
attitude or posture. Try thinking a little bit of Shakespeare, just to get
the mood.
Well, that's my latest two cents. Hope it has some value for you.
Alan
In lugnet.castle, Matt Hein writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Alex Polimeni writes:
> > Subconsciously take some of the ideas? haha!
> > The way we see castle worlds like Ikros is because of tolkien. Warhammer,
> > the popular minitures game, owes alot to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. so
> > does the Sword of Shannara and the other Shannara books.
>
> Okay, that's probably true. However, unlike many others,
> I usually tend to be unorthodox and look from the other
> side of the boundary. Why borrow from someone else when
> I can create my own creatures/ continguincy?
>
> (okay, I admit I have used several principles from
> other genres, so I'm not going to be use hypocrisy
> and lie about it :)
>
> > If not for lord of the rings, we would not have:
> > Orcs
> > Goblins as small green creatures
> > Halflings
> > Treants (which are a AD&D takeoff of Ents. Ents were copyrighted by then, i
> > think.)
>
> Why would AD&D take off from ents? Hmm...just changing
> the name sounds like of an easy way out, I guess.
>
> > Elves as tall, fair skinned tree loving creatures that use mostly bows
> > dwarves
> > a all powerful spirit evil
> > Demons of darkness
>
> I've read so many people's works that deal with
> 'magical worlds of elves and goblins.' Not that
> I dislike it or anything, just...isn't there more
> to write about?
>
> > Im missing a few, i know.
>
> Probably...
>
> > If not for tolkien, there would be very little of what i mentioned above, and
> > all stories would be (maby not all) of knights in shining armor.
>
> Nah, I think more people would have used greek and
> norse mythology to write their respective works. Not
> all fantasy is medieval (in fact, there are very few,
> if any, knights in my writing. I'm just going for a
> fuse between japanese and brisith culture. That's
> going to prove difficult, though.)
>
> In later chapters, you'll find my writing to be
> a fuse between fantasy and science-fiction.
>
> > All mid-evil fantasy owes something to tolkien, so
> > take the liberty and read it.
>
> I'll pick up a copy and maybe read a few chapters.
> (keep note I'm still going to pursue some degree
> of originality. No elves or goblins for me, though.
> I'm going to create a world from the ground up.)
>
> > Alex
>
> <<_Matt Hein_>>
> Fellow lego enthusiast
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