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(...) Ah, thank you. I was clicking the prominent "March MOTM" poll link at the top of the main page instead of navigating through the contests page. (Maybe the main page link could direct you to the view or vote pages depending on whether you've (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's a good idea. I think I'll add that onto the list of thing to be improved. -Orion (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) They fixed the "unable to view" problem a long time ago for the contests. Just go to the contest voting page and click on the view link instead of the vote link, and it will show you the entries. It won't remind you which entry you voted on, (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I get the same thing: "You already voted." Incidentally, I wanted to mention that I think it would be nice if you could still view the poll choices after voting, just without the option to vote again. In particular, I'd like to be able to look (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Have you used the same ID for the poll as the last SOTM/MOTM, which is the only LDRAW poll I have voted in earlier? (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: 2007 LDraw.org Steering Committee Election Results
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(...) Thanks for checking the ballot, Dan and thanks to people for voting. Tim (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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The winners of the 2007 LDraw Steering Committee Election are (in alphabetical order by last name): - Chris Dee - Tim Gould - Michael Heidemann - Orion Pobursky - Willy Tschager Congratulations to the new LDraw Steering Committee members! Dan Boger (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw) !
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| | Site changes on LDraw: Opinions sought
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Hi all, If you've visited (URL) lately you will probably have noticed a new set of big links up the top (I call them quick links). We've been trying to make the site easier to navigate in order to help new and old users alike. In order to make the (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | My RACHAL - Close Encounter
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Hi folks, I submitted my (URL) RACHAL - the Raytracing Challenge> entry "Close Encounter (of the third kind)" to the (URL) 'Atmosphobic' Gallery> at LDraw.org: (URL) More about the rendering process can be found (URL). PLMKWYT. w. (18 years ago, 11-Mar-07, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.ray, FTX) !
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| | Reminder: 2007 Steering Committee election closing in a week
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Hi folks, As outlined here: (URL) election will close in a week, at 2359 EDT (GMT -0500), March 15, 2007. Willy Tschager On behalf of the LDraw.org Steering Committee (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce)
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| | Re: Parts Releases and the CA
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(...) I am pleased to report that Luis E. Fernandez has now made contact and affirmed the Contributor Agreement - thanks Luis. Updated list : Name (number of parts authored) Chris Alano (5) Eric D'Aragon (1) Howard Lande (1) Kevin Bane (8) Tim (...) (18 years ago, 7-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Introducing RACHAL - the Raytracing Challenge
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Well I submitted my entry: (URL) It was pretty fun, and I got to teach myself a few more POV tricks (like loops mainly). Nothing was changed in the MPD and I used L3PAO to convert to POVRAY and then I used Mesh-Enhancer on the minifig's hair to (...) (18 years ago, 6-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) jeroen, you've got mail. bye, w. (18 years ago, 5-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi Timothy, I would love to vote but I lost/forgot my login-name. I tried to recover but I don't get reply-mails with a new password and contacting you via the webmas...etc address only gives my an 'hey don't send spam to peeron'-message: Hi. (...) (18 years ago, 5-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No. Submissions must be made before the contest. So voting on the 1st and 31st will be the same. Tim (18 years ago, 2-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Is it possible to submit to the sotm/motm contests when voting starts? I am always afraid to vote because there might be a better submission later on. James (18 years ago, 2-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi Mike, Unfortunately with the system used by LDraw it is very hard for the webmasters (Willy, Orion and I) to do anything much like that so the answer is probably no I'm afraid. Of course it does have a de facto check... if you click to a (...) (18 years ago, 2-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim Gould schrieb: (...) Hi Tim, I like the new -centered- position for all polls very, very much. But I have one question, is it possible to set a cookie on the client that would be read from the side, so I can see for which poll I have already (...) (18 years ago, 1-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Request for votes in LDraw polls
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Hi all, As some of you know (and perhaps some do not) LDraw conducts various polls, both for official reasons (such as elections and Constitutional changes) and for contests (such as model of the month, part of the month etc.). Unfortunately the (...) (18 years ago, 1-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) !
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| | Motion to the LDraw Bylaws (Accountability of "Key Positions"): Call for Ratification
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Since the motion to the LDraw Bylaws has been posted (URL) and publicly discussed, and since by peoples' silence, there appear to be no more lingering objections, the Steering Committee hereby calls for a community vote to ratify the motion which (...) (18 years ago, 1-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce)
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| | 2007/2008 LDraw Steering Committee Election is open
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The 2006 LDraw.org Steering Committee election is now open. To vote, please visit (URL) and log in with your user account. Next, visit the ballot page on LDraw.org here: (URL) LDraw organization members may vote and you may vote for up to five (...) (18 years ago, 1-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce)
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| | LDraw.org's February 2007 Model and Scene of the Month Winners
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Congratulations to the winners of the February 2007 Model/Scene Of The Month (MOTM/SOTM) contests: (URL) MOTM, Yellow Sportspeeder by Joseph Durel> (URL) SOTM, The Forces of Isengard by Philip Heinrich> The voting for the March 2007 Model of the (...) (18 years ago, 1-Mar-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce, FTX)
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| | Nominations Closed was Call for Nominations: 2007 LDraw.org Steering Committee
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In lugnet.cad, Willy Tschager wrote: --snip-- (...) Hi all, The nomination process is now closed. Thanks to everyone involved. We will announce the voting elsewhere. Tim (18 years ago, 28-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Reminder: 2007 Steering Committee Nominations closing in 24 hours
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(...) And once more for 24 hours from now. Tim (18 years ago, 27-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Call for Nominations: 2007 LDraw.org Steering Committee
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Willy Tschager schrieb: (...) I Michael Heidemann accept the nomination. mikeheide (18 years ago, 27-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I, Willy Tschager, second this nomination. w. (18 years ago, 27-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Call for Nominations: 2007 LDraw.org Steering Committee
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(...) My thanks to the nominators for the vote of confidence, but my life will be busier than normal over the next 6 months that I, Kevin Clague, am going to decline the nomination. Kevin (18 years ago, 26-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Call for Nominations: 2007 LDraw.org Steering Committee
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I, Tim Gould, nominate Michael Heidemann (18 years ago, 26-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I, Tim Gould, second this nomination (18 years ago, 26-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I, Michael Heidemann, nominate Guy Vivan. mikeheide (18 years ago, 26-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Reminder: 2007 Steering Committee Nominations closing in two days
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(...) Just serving further reminder that you have two days to go. Tim (18 years ago, 26-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: " (needs work)" officially sanctioned by LSC
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(...) I also have not had problems accessing your site. I am using FF 2.0.0.2. Sounds like there may be a router issue somewhere between you & Willy. ROSCO (18 years ago, 25-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Willy Tschager schrieb: (...) I have really no idea what is going on there. I have still no problems to reach my sides. I send to you the new version by separate Email. But again, I can not see any fault on the server side. cu Michael Heidemann (18 years ago, 25-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) the direct link doesn't work neither :-( tried with firefox 2.1 and bill's "browser" (sic!) on three different machines, with two different providers. I get your pop-up add but the page is not reachable. w. (18 years ago, 25-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Willy Tschager schrieb: (...) Just tried to connect and I have access. I have never heard before that there are problems. The pages are hostet at arcor, which is one of the biggest hoster. (URL) is the direct link to the download page. Michael (...) (18 years ago, 24-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) site is down :-( ... mike, it happens quiet frequently that www.michael-heidemann.de is not reachable. anything you can do on that? w. (18 years ago, 24-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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mikeheide schrieb: (...) A new Version of DATHeader is now available at www.michael-heidemann.de. Any comments are welcome Michael Heidemann (18 years ago, 24-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Travis Cobbs schrieb: (...) Good News! I have to go to update DATHeader. There should be a new version available tomorrow. (18 years ago, 23-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Yeah! Thanks guys! Big encouragement to set my parts moving again and hopefully it will encourage the community by getting a lot more parts more readily available. -Matt :) (...) ---...--- www.auctionbrick.com - username mchiles Matt Chiles 1006 (...) (18 years ago, 23-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | " (needs work)" officially sanctioned by LSC
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The LDraw Standards Committee (LSC) has officially sanctioned the use of " (needs work)" in part titles to allow parts to be certified with known problems. Note that this has been used for years now in the library, but many part authors and (...) (18 years ago, 22-Feb-07, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions" - updated version
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(...) I think LDraw politics are a litle more tame than Italy's ;) I don't think that would be a problem. I would hope that for it to happen the situation would have to be so bad that it would be unanimous (apart from in this type of situation which (...) (18 years ago, 22-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions" - updated version
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(...) hmm ... as you might know Italy is going through a new cabinet crises (again) and faces new elections and the risk to be governed by mr. conflict of interest himself (read: berlusconi). what about the conflict of interest if the key position (...) (18 years ago, 22-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Reminder: 2007 Steering Committee Nominations closing in a week
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Hi folks, As outlined here: (URL) will close in a week, at 11:59 PM GMT on 28 February 2007 and elections will start the 1st of March. Only those candidates that have been nominated, seconded, and have accepted as outlined, will be eligible for (...) (18 years ago, 21-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions" - updated version
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(...) to get pedantic (likewise not via SteerCo) I think this may be better (change is in bold or square brackets) Section 6.09: Removal of Key Positions Key Positions are accountable to the Steering Committee and might be removed if someone fails (...) (18 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions" - updated version
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Many thx for your input! Find below a revised version of the motion. Please note this has not gone through the SteerCo and is proposed solely by me in an attempt to move on from this issue as quickly as possible. w. ---...--- Beginning of motion (...) (18 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions": Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
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While it's implied in the current text, I think you should make it expicit that "firing" someone requires 3 of the 5 SteerCo members to vote in favor of "firing" that person. --Travis (18 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Accountability of "Key Positions": Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
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(...) Hi Willy, I agree with these additions. Just some minor changes: 6.08: "about appointments of new ones" -> "about new appointments" 6.10: "otherwise unable to fulfill" -> "otherwise unable to fulfill his or her duties" (repetetive but I think (...) (18 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Willy Tschager schrieb: (...) snip (...) snip (...) I agree overall to your thoughts. This is a good step for the future. We should bring this point in a fast way to go. Michael Heidemann (18 years ago, 18-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Accountability of "Key Positions": Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
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Hi folks, We know that you would prefer reading about new parts updates announcements instead of politics and bureaucratics, but unfortunately those things also have to be done and decided on in order to ensure the smooth running of LDraw.org. As (...) (18 years ago, 18-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) !
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details
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(...) Here is a newly revised and _proposed_ CAreadme attempting to deal with most of the issues brought up in this post. Please note this has not gone through the SteerCo and is proposed solely by me in an attempt to move on from this issue as (...) (18 years ago, 10-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) I'm not sure about the exact text but id state derived works as "containing the original file or visual representation/rendering of..." This happily excludes models (except where they include unofficial parts), but includes all renders of both (...) (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) There is one aspect that I am a little worried about and it deals with unofficial files... we can make it clear what a model file is (references to parts only) but then we have the problem that it is considered good practise to include (...) (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yeah, I think the meaning was there, but the language was still a bit unclear. Here's a nice place to look for ideas on how to rework the language. (URL) section on Software is probably the closest match, and I believe this is the key (...) (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) of course with the bit about rendered images still left in... sorry. It's late :) Tim (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Probably... maybe "LDraw.org does not consider LDraw model files (defined as being MPDs or LDR files whose main purpose is creating a model, ultimate discretion lies with the current LDraw SteerCo) to be derivative works of the Parts Library." (...) (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Wouldn't this include modifying/converting...publishing the dat files themselves (a true derivative work)? (18 years ago, 7-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I do think we should try to get it enshrined in the Constitution too. I really doubt it's ever going to be an issue but it should go some way to assuaging people's worries. Tim (18 years ago, 6-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think that is more workable, since it limits the README to addressing the interpretation of terminology in the license, rather than elaborating/modifying the actual license. Steve (18 years ago, 6-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) Anders, I'm sorry to say this but all your comments to me in this thread have been very negative without offering anything positive in return (by way of suggestions for improvements for example). Don made some good points and through debate (...) (18 years ago, 6-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Perhaps people would prefer if we changed that paragraph to something like this in the README Tim ---- LDraw.org is the sole entity responsible for enforcement of the Parts Library copyrights. LDraw.org does not consider rendered images or (...) (18 years ago, 6-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I wouldn't bother quoting the mathematical world at me. I'm well aware of what defines a mathematical proof or disproof. But... since you seem to wish to be pedantic I said what FURTHER point does it bring. The postulate was already disproved (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) Apparently with all the legal posturing going on here, people missed this. Seems to me there's no need to fret about anything. Use the tools as you always have and nothing bad will happen. Play on. Allister (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree I shouldn't have used that word although it wasn't meant in a particularly offensive manner. Since Don did not seem to take it too badly I didn't apologise for it but had he I would have. And frankly there are more ways to be rude than (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) I hear you, but I still find it difficult to read posts like Tim's. It's important to me, I just couldn't let it slide. As you say, probably a sign of my age (celebrated my 53:rd birthday yesterday). (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi Anders, Please don't get all excited about the word rubbish. I'm OK with it. You and I are from a different generation and apparently "smack talk" is the language of the new generation. This was pretty mild by the new standard, so let's (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) hi anders, the readme is nothing than a human readable version of the legal text (which in the end tells us that lawyers are not human) and it is basically a copy of this: (URL) (the steerco haven't written it), we (the 2006/2007 steerco) (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) Now this is more along the lines of what I'd consider a derivative work according to the license, but only if their part file library actually includes ldraw primitive files, or text copied from the parts or primitive files. If they just (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
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(...) It's quite condescending to express the view that alternative libraries are created/used just 'in order to avoid writing ...'. All of those alternatives were in existance long before the 'license'. Actually it sounds more like ldraw.org is (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) They provide exactly that. *Counter examples* to your argumentation. If you don't know what to do with a counter example, that's your problem. In the mathematics world, *one* counter example is enough to make a 'proof' invalid. I invalidated (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I missed this one at first. (...) What kind of language is that for a LDRAW official? Even if hiding behind '(in a personal capacity)'? I deplore this kind of 'argumentation' - you're just expressing your own opinion, and have no right calling the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I did think of Anton Rave's library and LGEO but there aren't a lot of models which use exclusively parts from LGEO (I have never used Anton's library). Sure you can provide a counter-example and of course LDraw.org has no control over renders (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is also not true. BlockCAD has its own part library, not at all connected to the LDRAW library, but BlockCAD *can* save a model in the LDRAW format, thereby making it possible to render a BlockCAD model with the LDRAW compatible programs. (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is definitely wrong! There is nothing unique with the LDRAW library. It doesn't have a special place in the universe - it's just another information collection. My BlockCAD program can load *some* LDRAW model files and render a picture (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually there is. Anton Raves' library comes immediately to mind. Using that you're not using any information from the LDRAW parts, only the placement information in the model file. And his is not the only library of Lego parts in the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Timothy Gould wrote: [snip-snap] (...) the steerco has considered the option to change the license but considering that we weren't able to track down 18 people last time (URL) (we are still 33 parts behind in the rewrite (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) don, you wouldn't have a model file at all without the parts library. at least not without extreme effort because of the missing visual feedback. I'll give you some codes: CM051P09.dat, HF300P09.dat, CM060P14.dat, CM053P03.dat, CM250P02.dat (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If you are referring to the non-pursuit section of the readme it is most definitely in accord with the license. As you say a license is only as good as its enforcement but stating a policy of enforcement does not change the license. As an (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. The way the readme puts it is not in accord with what the license requires. Furthermore, because there is a disclaimer in readme that it is not a license, that whole bit can and should be ignored and only the license followed. If (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree with the ethical imperative argument. There are plenty of old laws on statute books that no-one follows or expects to follow but are still there. Either way, ethical decisions are made on an individual basis (including the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) In that case I agree it wouldn't be a derivative work. I am becoming more and more convinced that an MPD isn't actually a derivative work. (...) If people are willing to go to the effort of making or using an alternate part library in order to (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sorry, that doesn't work for me. The license describes how someone must behave; lack of prosecution for non-compliance doesn't erase the ethical imperative to follow the agreement. And, since the non-commercial disclaimer is not actually part (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually I'm fairly certain the folks at Lego could easily devise a way to import a model file into LDD on a PC with NONE of the official Ldraw files installed. They could then generate a rendering in LDD and publish that on the internet, (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I figured you were which is why I called it unfair. Without the library the render cannot exist. Without the library the LDraw file is just a meaningless list of transformations and codes. (...) Which is precisely why we are stating we will (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually I was thinking of the LDraw library as the chisel(s), and to be honest, I don't understand why it's an unfair analogy. It just seems obvious to me. But anyhow, look, I like Ldraw files and renders. I want to see more of them. And (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That is not a fair analogy. Arguably POVray (or ldglite or ldview) is the chisel but the parts are a necessary part of the final work. There is no way to use a typical LDraw file without the parts library to render a scene. (...) You haven't (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I disagree. A sculpture may contain obvious marks from a distinctive chisel, but is not a derivative of that chisel. Now if you make a new chisel based on the distinctive chisel, that's a derivative work. (...) Again, I disagree. We clearly (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) In the case of model files I agree it is muddy however a model file means little without the parts to use it. If people wish to try to sell LDraw files without an attribution they are welcome to do so and you are probably right that LDraw.org (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Wow! In my opinion, that's an extremely poor interpretation of "derivative works". Consider the model file. It most likely contains no actual bits of the LDRAW library. It simply contains references to the parts in the library, by names like (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Precisely. Tim (18 years ago, 3-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) So, basically, the licence means you need to credit LDraw whenever you render/create a model from it, but SteerCo aren't bothered unless its for commercial use? (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hey, that would be me! (URL) Thanks to everybody who voted. More pictures of 'My Room' at (URL) Brickshelf>. (URL) play well, Jan Folkersma (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) hi folks, taking into account all your valuable input the steerco has reworded the initial CAreadme.txt file in response to concerns which have been arisen in the disussion. please learn that we haven't changed a single character in the actual (...) (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) !
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Congratulations to the winners of the January 2007 Model/Scene Of The Month (MOTM/SOTM) contests: (URL) MOTM, Mindstorms NXT cup collecting robot by Henrik Dalsager Christensen> (URL) SOTM, My Room by Jan Folkersma> The voting for the February 2007 (...) (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce, FTX)
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Hi folks, we are half way down with the nominations. As outlined here: (URL) will close at the end of the month and elections will start the day after. Only those candidates that have been nominated, seconded, and have accepted as outlined, will be (...) (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi Zach, Glad you've got ideas :) I think the disco scene was a too hard in retrospect. While we may throw in some reflection and trasparency in future models I doubt there will ever be anything as shiny as the Disco scene. Challenging is one (...) (18 years ago, 31-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Awesome! Very nice model, and it should be a little easier than the disco scene due to minimal, if any, reflectives and transparents. I already have plenty of ideas, and can't wait to go tinkering. (18 years ago, 31-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hi all, If you keep an eye on new articles on LDraw.org you may have noticed two new ones with the title RACHAL. Well, we haven't got a replicant working for us but we are relaunching my old raytracing challenges as part of LDraw.org. (URL) brief (...) (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.ray, lugnet.announce) !!
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(...) hi james, all entries will be collected throughout the month and then added to the page - offline. when voting starts no new entries will be added. just think of the MOTM/SOTM contest. it wouldn't be fair. what you are seeing right now will go (...) (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I have an idea about the ldraw contests. Why not send an email when a new entry is added to the webpage? Without some sort of reminder, I most likely wont even think to go vote. James (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Thank you for your polite enquiry. Externally, the situation is little changed since this announcement in September: (URL) a lot is going on in the background. Firstly we need to reformat the headers of the existing official library to conform (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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