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| | | It seems that I'm no only one here who doesn't like NNTP. I'll try to explain. NNTP is, to me, an outdated technology that should simply be allowed to die out. It is cumbersome (especially with the extra checks that Lugnet demand before allowing (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | "Allan Johansen" <f2k@chaotica.dk> wrote in message news:IJxH0E.110r@lugnet.com... (...) die (...) I disagree. I think NNTP is a underappreciated technology by most people. Reading content via a News Reader is as simple as reading e-mail. I really (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Allan Johansen
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| | | | | | | "Mike Walsh" <mike_walsh@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:IJxLJF.1xwq@lugnet.com... (...) Why is browsing offline important? My computer is on-line at all times (expect when I'm sleeping, of course.). You can read an on-line forum at your (...) (19 years ago, 23-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | I do generally prefer NNTP, but web based does have a few advantages. Here are my pros and cons for each (not specific to LUGNET unless specified): NNTP Pro: User selectable client software allows greater tuning of the interface. My software is in (...) (19 years ago, 25-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | (...) You're forgetting some BIG advantages of NNTP... NNTP doesn't require huge bloated software (be it IE or Firefox or whatever...), since it's text-based there's little overhead (just look at all the HTML code when looking at the source of ANY (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) I've never used NNTP (hate Outlook Express and never bothered to explore other readers (plus its blocked by the firewall at work)). However only this evening on the train home from work I was think I should see what the fuss was, before I read (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | (...) If you're running Windows, you can try Forte's Free Agent. That's what I used for years. Steve (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Strangely, thats what I just downloaded! I've come back here for some advice The setup requires the Mail: (SMTP) Server. Is this for my mail account? if so I'm assuming a Hotmail account won't work? I checked on the Outlook Newreader, It (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) If I remember correct you can leave the SMTP empty, it's only used if you reply to a message by email instead of to the newsgroup. Reply address should always be your regular email address, so people can email you if they want to reply in (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks to both you and steve for your help Still doesn't work mind you! I'm wondering XP firewall issues but as the missus is using the computer I'll have to test some other time. FreeAgent gives a windsock error Connection refused by server (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes the latest Windows firewall does have issues - I have stopped using it as my ADSL modem has a firewall. But before that I used Sygate firewall (URL) with no problems. Also, make sure you're using the correct port 1119, not the default 119. (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Message sent via NNTP Thanks all of you that helped Tim Now all I have to do is work out how to subscribe to multiple groups without having to do them individually "Ross Crawford" <ross.{mylastname}@gmail.com> wrote in message (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes. Free Agent allows you to reply via email to messages. So it needs to know where to send email. (...) It won't if Hotmail doesn't allow you to send email via SMTP. (...) That should be whatever address you want people to send private (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) XanaNews is a good one too, and it's completely free (Although Outlook Express is good enough for me, keeping mail and news in the same client): (URL) Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: (2 URLs) (19 years ago, 21-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | | (...) These days, I use almost only the discussion groups of LUGNET, which I still access using NNTP, so to me it's pretty much text only. I don't see any images no, but I don't mind. If it's described well and sounds cool, I'll cut'n'paste the URL (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Chris Gray
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Exactly. My computer is online 100% (Linux), so offline doesn't matter to me. I sit here typing into Gnu emacs (so editing is comfortable), with a browser window half-hidden, open to the "Lugnet Classic" logo from a post I read a few minutes (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | | | | Hello! (...) That's exactly what I never understood about the NNTP fans' fondness of NNTP. I *can* understand why software engineers, coders and other geeky NNTP users (sorry :-) ) use NNTP and actually prefer it over every other form of forum. But (...) (19 years ago, 22-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Because most of the discussions I follow on LUGNET don't involve many pictures, and I can always look at those later? Besides, one CAN tie in NNTP with other stuff, if I use my fancy newsreader I can click on any link and the pic is opened, (...) (19 years ago, 23-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | (...) If I want to see the pictures I just kick their URL's off to my image viewer. If I don't, I don't have to wait for them to arrive. (...) So do I. But not af all the MOCs. (...) That requires a rather fat pipe-line. With a 56 kbit/s modem line (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I've got the fat pipe. So I'd like to be able to tell this NNTP client to go ahead and grab images (maybe I'd set it to pre-fetch all images, maybe only for certain groups). That way I don't have to wait for slow websites or bad URLs. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Actually, people were having online discussions about LEGO for a long time, before digital images were so prevalent. But I think it's a matter of preference -- I don't spend nearly as much of my 'LEGO' time looking at MOCs as other people do. (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Allan Johansen
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| | | | | | "Jan-Albert van Ree" <javanree@vanree.net> wrote in message news:IJxyIx.3EM@lugnet.com... (...) True, but the web based interface is so much nicer. Also see my response to your next point. (...) Because a GUI makes it much easier to communicate (...) (19 years ago, 23-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | (...) Nice != Useful (...) I don't WANT pictures, unless I explicitly click on them to be opened. And with me probably a lot of others. Some of us are sometimes still on dial-up you know.... (in the field, on holiday, or just no affordable broadband (...) (19 years ago, 24-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ummmmmm well that's not really fair - phpBB has had 6 updates over the 6 months I've been running it, and only 2 were for major security issues. And most of the exploits are because the site didn't keep up-to-date with the latest updates, or (...) (19 years ago, 25-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | (...) Looking at the phpBB website all 6 had security fixes, although not all "critical" (...) If nothing happens within those 6 months... phpBB just has a very bad track record with regard to their code quality, compared to infoPoP, vBulletin and (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) A quick scan through the vbulletin boards reveals 5 releases in the same time frame, all of which had security issues, one marked critical. I think that's comparable to phpBB's record, don't you? But we should not be discussing the relative (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | | | (...) Okay, this looks like a good spot for me to ask: "Would you guys like a newsgroup for discussion of LUGNET's development?" I've gotten a few offers now for coding help. Yeaaa!! I'll be honest: From behind the scenes, it's looking more and more (...) (19 years ago, 31-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It might make sense, but it seems to work fine to keep the discussion here. I suppose it depends a bit on how formal/practical you want us to be. Since I haven't got much time for helping with the coding, I would feel (a little bit) bad about (...) (19 years ago, 31-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) --SNIP-- I can't remember if I already volunteered to help but if not, I do now. Tim (19 years ago, 31-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | (...) Suz, Advice is as good as you pay for. Since my pearls of wisdom are super cheap, take it with a grain of salt. :) Re: And we don't have project leadership or any other team structure my advice/comments are thus: do you !!~REALLY~!! need such (...) (19 years ago, 31-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Mr. Magno, Don't even think about leading my perfectly optimistic conversation off-track! :-) -Suz (19 years ago, 1-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree! But I would also add, I think this project needs at least some kind of coherent plan as to what exactly is needed before it can make any useful headway. Coders are fine for trying out stuff, and coding the final requirements, but (...) (19 years ago, 1-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) IMHO the best option would be to have the team led (in the very loosest of terms) by someone with a user design background (or failing that level of expertise, and sort of design). The number of technically savvy but ugly and (...) (19 years ago, 1-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Oooo! Me! Me! [shouting and waving] ;-) -Suz (19 years ago, 1-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Anyone.... Anyone... (else) Bueller??? Bueller??? (smile) (19 years ago, 2-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? [Was: Dear NNTP users] —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) lol. yeah, well, I -do- miss that job, ya know? I haven't gotten to see any real improvements since years ago. back when LUGNET was fun. Hmm ..trying to remember what the last thing was. I guess it was the adding of the 'active threads in..' (...) (19 years ago, 2-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | (...) I will not claim that what you write is not true (because it probably is), but if we're talking voluntary work, you shouldn't expect coders to code things they can't see the point with. It is fine with somebody trying to give orders, but don't (...) (19 years ago, 2-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: admin.dev? —Suzanne Rich Green
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| | | | | | | | (...) yeah. To be honest, this sort of stuff should be left to think about after the change in ownership. I mean, it's great to think and talk anytime - I just mean that, because there's no urgency, we needen't stress about it right now. -Suz (19 years ago, 3-Aug-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Nicer in what way? The web interface has to work hard to provide the same information-at-a-glance that Free Agent does. (...) Who ever said that an NNTP client has to be text-only? (hey, anyone know of one that isn't?) It'd be really cool to (...) (19 years ago, 25-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) The web interface is bandwidth-heavy and it hasn't much memory of _my_ actions. (...) Gnus isn't strictly text-only. Neither is Mozilla. Pine is text-only. (...) Are you in the mood to study how to add new modes to Emacs? Or do you think it is (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | (...) I haven't looked at XUL writing, but I think it shouldn't be too hard for the java gurus. If I was going to write it, I'd probably try the Emacs way, with some lisp hackery. Or, better yet, write an NNTP proxy that will do the translation on (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) But which format would you translate it to? Wouldn't you have to translate the FTX articles to HTML to get the inlined images? And wouldn't that limit the practical number of NNTP clients slightly? - But of course not as much as implementing (...) (19 years ago, 29-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | (...) I think if we have a proxy that understands FTX and can translate it, the output format shouldn't be set - have that part be pluggable, so you could have it output html, or plain text, or anything else we can think of. Just have the proxy (...) (19 years ago, 29-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) Sensible. (...) Why not associate the format with the user account? NNTP actually has authentication built in. It's just not very common to use it. With some accounts named "<format>reader", we can let people select the format they get the FTX (...) (19 years ago, 30-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Dear NNTP users, —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | (...) I disagree strongly! What protocol exists, which can replace NNTP and which has all the same benefits as NNTP. (...) NNTP is _not_ cumbersome. (but the Lugnet NNTP server is practically unusable to me) I agree that Lugnet doesn't use NNTP very (...) (19 years ago, 28-Jul-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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