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Someone brought this up at BrickFest PDX and others agreed it would be an excellent idea: Rather than mainly linking to internal LUGNET resources, the first thing someone should see when they visit the LUGNET homepage is iconic links to other major (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.announce, FTX) !!
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So what was all this about? (URL) have two words to explain why some people are getting disatisfied with LUGNET: "membership packet" (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Oh please. Todd asked for some constructive input and volunteers to help improve on LUGNET, and you totally sidestep the point of his post and use this as an opportunity to take a pot shot at it. If you want to point out problems, I for one (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I've been a 'member' for a while and I couldn't give a rip for a 'packet'. The pros of LUGNET by far outweigh the "at the time was a good idea but now that it's only Todd and time marches on so, eh, whatrya gonna do?" missing membership (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) This has been on my list for awhile, I guess I'll speak up... BL has a cool feature for the discussion forum. It has a calender showing posts by date: (URL) I'm out of town for a weekend, it makes it very easy to pick up where I left off. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I don't get it. Does Legofan.net have better membership packets? (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) What Lugnet should *really* do is keep track of read and unread posts, like a proper newsreader. Even better than a calendar. But that's a major change that's going to take a while to get implemented. Not that there's anything wrong with the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) We've got something kind of like that over at BZPower too... one of the features that the members really seem to like is "Today's Hot Topics" on the front page. It links to the most posted-in threads of the last 24 hours, updated hourly. There (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Having a hot topics module would be a great addition. Also, the LUGNET Traffic page (link at the top right corner) shows you which groups are hot, but not which topics are hot. The Top Stories is determined using the (member) Spotlight feature (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Change is good sometimes - and seeing that LUGNET hasn't had any major aesthetic changes in a while, perhaps it's time to "freshen up." I have a poor imagination when it comes to dreaming up creative new web appearances, but I know my share of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) While we're on this topic: To this day I have not become a member because I simply can't get past having to enter my postal address into the enrollment form for LUGNET (presumably to get the mythical membership packet). I do not like to give (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) snip (...) Besides, Susan Rich Green has apologized about this subject on many occassions for the Membership packetts no going as originally envisioned. Give them a break, I have a gut feeling that many of us Lugnetters have forgiven them as (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Hi all, I can't offer my html knowledge - it's only poor. But I like to suggest some ideas following up Todd's ideas. An umbrella on a very first level might really be helpful. So users might got the chance to go their way while starting at (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman wrote: (snirp) (...) (snorp) (...) Whatever you do, don't replace the super-awesome Escheristic logo. Further, I'll voice my opinion that the homepage looks just fine and a complete overhaul isn't going to bring (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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A couple of ideas: 1. Classic-castle and FBTB both prominently feature admin-generated announcements on the front pages that are updated every day or so--new set announcments, contests, fests, etc (presumably other sites, too, these are just the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'm sorry to reply to my own post, but I forgot to add that CLSotW was a key player in the end of my dark ages (along with cheap promotional sets at Shell gas stations). Seeing all of these great creations by AFOLs made me want to dig my (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) ZING! (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman wrote: <schnipp> (...) <schnapp> (...) I'd rather like to see some more add-ons to the LUGNET newsgroups and a new frontpage than a complete redesign. The design of the newsgroups is excellent in both ways: (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Read those two sentences again. Someone already chooses them. Why not just grab two or three at random from that much smaller selection? Good idea though. It'd be good to see a parade of excellent models there on the homepage. (...) Another (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman wrote: SNIP (...) SNIP (...) well, it's not ALL a complete redesign, as i like the easy spotlight bar on the left-the rest is brand spankin new. This hexagonal brick design was originally going to be my webpage (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Wow, cool, I didn't know that! --Todd (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Ya, that's gotta stay. (...) It may not be broken to you, who are familiar with it and have been using it for years...but it's been pointed out by many that it can be quite confusing for first-time visitors. (...) Well, LUGNET was created to (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Ya, exactly! Some kind of attributes grid or "help me locate" or "what's out there" layout is needed. (...) Excellent, excellent, excellent idea. Yes! The homepage ought to have several languages available. (...) That could be something for (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) It may be off topic, but I think it would be very cool if the site was designed using CSS layout, i.e. no nested tables. A great example site is: (URL) would make site development very straightforward, and allow people to switch look and feels (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I don't think that's off-topic at all, Gary. Kind of a side-topic, but definitely an important consideration. The more that can be done via CSS instead of dynamic content on the server, too, the better. --Todd (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I agree with Gary, except for one big thing. Precise CSS positioning that's cross-browser compatible (IE, Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, Mac) is a pain royalé, sitting right next to impossible. I've done it and it's nuts. Unless you don't care if (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hey, WOW! A new LUGNET site! :> This is GREAT. I like the one that is hear but a change can be good! Out of curiosity, what brought upon these interesting thoughts of changing the site? I design websites often, well actually almost everyday I am (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Well, this looks really "busy" and crowded. Erik Bush (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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No, the first thing a first-time visitor sees should tell something about the available places to go -- not display only icons. Icons are not language, they are little puzzles that you have to figure out. (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) I agree. (...) Great idea! I could help with the translation to French. (more seriously than I did for "schleim" at PDX with John Neal! ;D) (...) That would be interesting. (...) Pierre (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) If I remember right, the initial news rating system *was* 0-10, and it didn't work very well. Too many options, too much work. (...) I'm not sure this is a good thing. It can lead to a sort of "clique" of Famous Posters and interesting things (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Ow, my brain! In seriousness, one of the problems with this design is difficulty of expansion. If some new vital site comes out, where does it fit in? (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree: Don't Do That. The web isn't a brochure-display mechanism. (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) These are pretty much the improvements I would like to see on the LUGNET homepage. I think adding in some sort of blog feature would allow moderators/curators to easily post content to the homepage (disclaimer: I don't know anything about how (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Ya, or rather it worked too well. It was actually used quite a bit, but it saw almost immediate abuse when people discovered that they could mark posts as zero from people they didn't like, just to be mean. Internally, it was represented by a (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Well, new homepage, anyway. (...) (1) All the talk last week about WorldLUG and LEGOFan. (2) Abner Finley reminded me at BrickFest PDX. (...) Yes, definitely. Suzanne will alsohave constructive comments to make as things get closer. --Todd (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Do you have the link to Suzanne's concept new homepage handy? -Tim (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) (URL) --Todd (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) I know my opinion doesn't count for much but I have to say I really like the layout and feel of this. It’s simple, yet it gets the job done. With some slight updating to fit all of the new great sites out there I believe this would work well. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Very true, but I've found that simply specifying the correct doctype for pages works like magic, at least on modern browsers: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "(URL) Using this works amazingly well - the results (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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What I like best about Suzanne's design over some of the other proposed here, is the absence of a visual logo fest. Hower great looking each (community) logo can be, twenty graphically unrelated logo's on one page make an incoherent design and are (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Looks sharp! I would be quite pleased with this design, especially if "Top Stories" were listed at the bottom of the page. That's the feature I use most. A minor tweak I would make would be to list the links at the beginning of each bullet (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I agree. I don't know exactly how easy the procedures are in the meantime, but to register a few years ago was somehow odd for me :-) Translations are needed, at least for a "How-To-Post"-Site. As for German, I know that there were offers to (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de, FTX)
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(...) How about an universal umbrella page which can be shared by all sites involved? A common logo (A Fabuland umbrella, perhaps?), available for all, linking either to a central page or a current copy on the local sites' server, which in turn (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) I might also suggest that striving for looking terrific in IE first is a source of your frustration. See especially comments 35 and 36 in this post by Doug Bowman at Stopdesign: (URL). Constantine (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.publish.html, FTX)
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(...) Echoing the above, to me the current design of Lugnet is very LSI friendly and logically laid out. In my opinion this makes Lugnet one of the great sites (similar to Yahoo and Google) and I'm by no means unique in my opinion. Lugnet's greatest (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Sorry, don't want to troll/flame, but I wouldn't call 1000steine 'European'. German, yes. European, no. Althought I'm living in the neighborhood, I can't grok a word from that site. That's why I support WorldLUG/LEGOFan stuff, they aim (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) You are right. The current LUGNET site is very LSI friendly. I enjoy coming to this website not just because of its content but also because I don't have to wait five minutes for a page to load unlike the LEGO site. (...) Again you are right. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi! Some quick thoughts; - Something on the mainpage must keep changing, todays system with hot posts is good. A poll might do. - Better info on how to start posting vs. becomming a member. I know Todd had some thoughts on this earlier that sounded (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Oh, some sort of "Display random past pick" would be cool! Of course this suggests some work to keep the database of sites up to date or disabling dead sites. /T (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Heres my Idea! I know it doesnt look much different but I made it in paint so you cant do much more than what I have already done ;-) (URL) -- Jeff (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Heres my Idea! I know it doesnt look much different but I made it in paint so you cant do much more than what I have already done ;-) -- Jeff (URL) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Heres my Idea! I know it doesnt look much different but I made it in paint so you cant do much more than what I have already done ;-) -- Jeff (URL) The small "MY LUGNET" lego smiley referrs to this post (URL) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tobbe Arnesson wrote: <snip> (...) Looks like the need has gone missing: (URL) played Todd! /Tobbe (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I think this makes sense for non members only. Usually, the members already know what they're looking for, so according to their preferences, they should get the best page. That means page with the stuff they like and few extraordinary tidbids (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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"Andrew Allan" <aallan@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:HtDvsD.qBG@lugnet.com... (...) Not in my book... JavaScript seems to cause problems in the browsers I tend to use (somewhat old versions of Netscape and MSIE - perhaps I should upgrade, (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Which could very easily be changed to send the correct Location redirect header, so that it would be completely invisible to the user... --Bram (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree. This is one of the problems with the "busy"-ness that you mentioned in Jeff's suggestion: (URL) thing I really like from Jeff's suggested graphic is the use of 1x6 bricks as link buttons. I know, this is also used elsewhere, e.g.: (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Based on experience, it'd be nice if the words could be made out of actual displayed on top of the brick image (which could be made in multiple parts to accomplish this easier), both to avoid contributing to the Pictures of Text plague and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) This is in reply to the new site design and take lugnet to a new level post While the new site is being developed and tested, place it at lugnet.org once it is finalized .org will become the "official" site. This is consistant with developing (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. In the legofan.net thread there were several posts that sounded offended that anyone would consider another location (posts positing LUGnet as "THE" home for on-line LEGOdom, which ignored other huge sites, or people arguing that other (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Okay, I'm an idiot. There's a link right there on the front page to "Build your own web pages". That said, however, this is still a largely unused feature of LUGNET. Bruce (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I have used this feature, and I use (URL) MOCPages>. I would like to see LUGNET offer something more substantial such as MOCpages, or perhaps Sean and Todd could morph something.... JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Exactly. (...) I'm up in the air about keeping 'Top Stories' on the main page of LUGNET. Perhaps it should stay, and have a bit less prominent position. What I'd *really* like to see is a magazine-style news posting system where articles (not (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Todd - I think it would be a good idea to set up a wish list for new LUGNET features and the LUGNET homepage, so we can look at them concisely, and prioritize them. Then we won't have to look through big threads to find all of the suggestions. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Moving to lugnet.org is a great idea. However, I think that making lugnet.com a beta site could be confusing -- old links would get broken, and people who are just guessing might pick .com. I think lugnet.com links should eventually (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I think we have bigger fish to fry w/r/t LUGNET than moving it to .org. That's a decision we can make later, once the new infrastructure for maintaining LUGNET is in place. -Tim (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Hey, there's plenty of oil and breading. But seriously, names are important. (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Yep, they're important. I didn't mean to come across as implying considering this was a bad idea. I just would rather see peoples' creative energies put into the transition at this point, and then consider the name change later. That's all. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't see it as an all-or-nothing thing. Setting up a secondary new box as *.lugnet.org is definitely easier and less problematic than setting it up as *.beta.lugnet.com in the near-term, because of various DNS issues. Setting up lugnet.org (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Wouldn't it be just easier to share the info with those pages? (...) yahoo.lugnet.org? ;-)) Just why 'admins'? Let everybody add anything, let others vote, let others veto. Add autotools for periodical link checking. Let the person who added (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) snip (...) Yes! - it would be very much like a group blog. See my mockup: (URL) (...) snip (...) This is a great idea. It is a superhuman task for one person, or even a few people to keep up with all the links out there. Marc Nelson Jr. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I agree with Frank here 100%. Not everybody has Javascript enabled, and if they have to fool around with their browser settings every time they want to visit, that'll drive people away if nothing will. Showers are great places for thinking. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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how about a wiki? anyone can put stuff on there, but its so easy to remove spam Marc Nelson Jr. wrote: <snip> (...) (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) It would be pretty easy to convert the /links/ area from static HTML pages into dynamic FTX content, which would essentially give wiki-type functionality. --Todd (21 years ago, 20-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Sorry too, but that's nitpicking. Would you use the universal language of the UN for LFnet/WorldLUG? Rhetorical question, no answer needed. Leg Godt! René (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) I was thinking more like 50KB or less. The current homepage weighs in at 44.2KB, of which 27.7KB of this is images. It's pretty easy to keep small images down to 1 or 2 KB each (or even less) if care is taken. Many of the LUGNET toolbar icons (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Be my guest. :) You can start an FTX page for this in your own member page area or one could be started within a common area. --Todd (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) OK, I went through the thread and compiled suggestions, and roughly prioritized them. The prioritization is based on my opinion of importance combined with feasibility. So, something important might appear lower simply because I know it will (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Great list. Makes it much easier to summarize ideas and thoughts. Thanks for putting that together. (...) I have no experience with the LUGNET stuff but I've worked with CSS before. I'll volunteer as your graphic designer. -Mike (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Excellent. I just did a homepage image count and found six, including the BrickFest logo. If we were to have button links for a bunch of major sites, this could get heavy fast. That's why I aimed at 100KB - but the lower the better. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Here's a few more of mine. These are entirely newsgroup features, and aren't necessarily high priority _or_ easy. But I would like to see 'em get into at least the bottom of the wishlist somewhere. -- Display identity-images (avatars, or (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) TRY # 2 colors, bricks, poll, expandibility (could get taller as i made it 800x600 to start-this made it a little tight, but can easily be remedied) (URL) Enjoy Jeff (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Nope. It's as 'european' as are american stuff is 'world'. For me and _most_ of the younger people here it could be in swahili with the very same effect. There's no way around than to use english (world) or regional sites. It's arrogant to (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) Too much grunt work. The technical solution is too easy not to implement. (...) I agree that anyone should be able to submit a link for consideration, but I believe (strongly) that an administrator should have to approve links to be publicly (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't mean to be rude at all, but this is way too image-intensive and busy. The goal here is making a main page that's easy to follow for new users - if I were a new user, I would not know how to navigate this site. .02 -Tim (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Added, to their own group at the bottom. So they're not necessarily lowest priority :-) Bedtime. -Tim (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Absolutely! At 1000steine.de you can submit links too: (URL) I have to accept all links and it's not uncommon, that somebody submits links that has really nothing to do with LEGO. So I can delete them before they're public. Leg Godt! René (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Hi Mike - Glad to hear you're interested! I'm curious, could you link us to some of your past work? -Tim (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) You do realise there's nothing *natural* about that? Not even half the worlds population read text in the direction we happen to be using. Also, with the way most advertisements show up on pages, many people tend to ignore both the left and (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Also, on a practical level, doing redirects (not just DNS records) as subdomains would be prohibitively expensive with the current Lugnet hosting arrangement. (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) posting a .dat file at: (URL) server automatically generates an image (see thumbnails at ldraw.org). thx, w. (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Nnnooooooo... ;] Here's the deal: I used to be an avid LUGNET poster, but due to a lot of issues not related to LUGNET or LEGO I had to shelve the hobby for about 2 years. I'm now trickling back to it, at least the purchasing part of the (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general) !
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(...) Sure. The only stuff that's online at the moment: The logo for Bill Swanberg of Bartering The Brick: (URL) A collection of practice ads done for a ficitious company: (URL) And the RoboticsResources.com logo: (URL) I have a bunch of small stuff (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Ayiee, mine eyes!! ;] I find it overwhelming. One of the trends that I notice in home page design is that people are increasingly trying to link to every single page of their site's content (and affiliate sites' content) from the home page. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Correct - but all readers of English go left to right. Those that read Hebrew may go right to left, but they won't be doing that here (and if they are it serves them right to be confused). (...) Thanks for posting those. I'll look into it. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) If I remember the musings from near Lugnet's beginning, this is sort of intentional -- the logo is specifically not a Lego brick to avoid all risk of confusion with being an official site. Maybe that's not such a worry at this point. (...) Now (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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Try # 3 thanks for all the imput. I tried to make it less busy, & identify the major groups of stuff for newbies. the left, top, and right 'bars' are the same, as i think they work well on the current site, i just spruced em up a bit (URL) enjoy!, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) SNIP (...) Peeron.com has a random piece of the day feature Jeff (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) By itself, having a random piece is slightly interesting. But a specifically-picked "Cool Brick of the Week" could be a lot more -- history of that part, some suggestions of non-obvious building techniques, examples of (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Jeff Szklennik wrote: Try # 4 even simpler (URL) enjoy!, comments encouraged Jeff (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Only Hebrew reads right-to-left? Huh! Last time I checked, Arabic (which is somewhat common in the world?), is also written right-to-left. And if Lugnet wants to be international, it should take that into consideration along with other (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Heres my Idea! I know it doesnt look much different -- Jeff The small “MY LUGNET” lego smiley referrs to this post (2 URLs) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I just picked Hebrew as an example. :) While I agree that we should be aiming for international compliance, I think there's only so far that we can go. It would not be a good thing to just align everything down the centre of the page to make (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jeff, While this latest version is indeed simpler, it still has one thing to it: it's image-heavy. People on dialup on a slow day are going to get frustrated while they sit there waiting for a bunch of big graphics to load. In my mind, it (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi, Some clarifications below... --Todd (...) This could also be on a "tab" or something someone selects on the homepage, rather than the very first things someone sees. (...) To clarify this, I meant for there to be submissions and proposals, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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How about a page that we create ourselves out of options that are kept ion a cookie? Let me explain. The first time you come to Lugnet, you get a general page welcoming you and with a clear menu to personnalize the front page. When you go to the (...) (21 years ago, 21-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I think it'd be good if people's ideas use (URL) as a base. (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree. -Tim (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) You designs are good but the problem I have with them is color, too much of it to be specific. Notice how LUGNET's current main page is all one color theme with localized centers of other colors. This, to me, is more pleasing to the eye than (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Man am I behind in my reading/posting. The Spacers have a Seed Part of the Month... it seems to generate some (a LOT OF!) neat creations. Not all seed parts are "cool", IIRC, some were chosen to be "challenging" to incorporate, so maybe it's a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) SNIP (...) I tried to come up with a few simplified & fun designs for pages, my fave being this (within this thread, but linked so you don't have to wade thru posts again): (URL) one of the great suggestions i got was that the images may be a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Sorry about my repitiveness but heres the pictures again because they havent worked Heres my Idea! I know it doesnt look much different -- Jeff The small “MY LUGNET” lego smiley referrs to this post (2 URLs) this is my second idea (URL) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I don't know anything about current situation, but this is beyond my imagination? What's that 'expensive' on one dns record and one mod_rewrite line in Apache config? (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Sorry, this doesn't sound too 'open' to me as I fell this is 'power centralisation' (your opinions may differ, of course). I still think that crowd may have 'better' {and definitely faster} decisions than few chosen ones. I think that total (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Hi, I think I proposed the very same thing in my previous post from 'Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:41:56 GMT' in this thread too. (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) "If we just ignore the spammers, they'll stop sending Email" Trust me, the above statement is completly false. I think moderation is neccessary to avoid the link page from being overrun with ads for "free" medication and "foolproof" get rich (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Why frame this negatively with the words 'power centralization?' Think ... what 'power' would link administrators have? Approve/reject links to be made public. Its in the best interest of creating a comprehensive directory to link to as many (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) ? I'm for moderation. But _everybody_ would be one. You'd vote for 'offtopic', I'd vote for 'offtopic', somebody else would do so... and voila, link is removed. The only problem remains in setting the good rules with good weights. (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) From a technical point of view, nothing at all. And maybe Pair would be cool about it, I dunno. ISPs like to charge for stuff like that, is all. Hopefully, we'll eventually have an arrangement which gives us more control. (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Our company decided that all of the webhosters are too restrictive, so we went the serverhosting way, where man can have lots of freedom without any additional payments. RH Enterprise + 700gbs of traffic monthly for relatively low price. I can (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) In the clear cases, there is no argue that they could get as good results as few admins. In the 'grey' cases, the voting of more people can make the result to represent the majority opinion, which may not be the case of few admins. (...) It (...) (21 years ago, 22-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Very kind of you :-( Please have a look at the homepage as of today and count the flags of the countries: (URL) 18 MOCs from Germany 10 MOCs from outside Germany (4 MOCs from Denmark, 3 MOCs from Switzerland, 1 MOC from Sweden, 1 MOC from (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de, FTX)
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(...) I'd rather see the link directory be well architected than reflect majority opinion. This would require a few thoughtful, knowledgeable, and fair people to give a little bit of time to maintaining it. This isn't voting on major policy here, we (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I still think it's german. The majority of content, whole web interface, 99% of forums etc. (...) This is where our opinions are clearly different. I think it's the visitors who can make use of your site. And, definitely, non-german-speakers (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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Hello! (...) That's true. (...) ...like non-English-speakers can't sufficiently use any English site. Of course there are more non-German-speakers than non-English-speakers in the world :-) (...) Now, that's kind of a political statement that does (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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Todd, et al: Here is a quick and dirty idea for a new home page. I cobbled it together in photoshop. It is relativly unpopulated and it not very space-optimized. But I hope you get the idea: (URL) idea is the left column is Lugnet-specific stuff, (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) I've been thinking about this for a while myself. It's a great way to stimulate both creativity and lateral thinking! May I suggest "Tricky Bricks Incorporated" and propose the small rubber band holder as the first contender: (URL) should be (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) Orion, do you have any basis for making a blanket statement such as your first sentence? I'm not trying to defend or condemn anybody, but that's bad logic to just say "trust me.." and not give any reason. Your next sentence provides a reason, (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Well I know that there are some goof balls who take the time to use MichLUG.org's contact form to spam us MichLUGers. So if someone is willing to waste their time on that I can only assume the same would be true of a much larger site like (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, FTX)
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(...) Very nice! My only complaint is that all the black is gone, leaving the page with too much white space. But everything else is great. Marc Nelson Jr. (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hello ! Salut ! As you are speaking about european community, I was wondering if some people here knows this website (Eurobricks) ? What do you think of this opportunity ? (create a kind of european Lugnet ?) <www.eurobricks.com> Comme vous parlez (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) Well, to clarify this issue: I called 1000steine.de an European site as it is indeed located in Europe. Just in contrast to American sites, Asian sites, etc. I never said that 1000steine.de should be the ultimate paneuropean solution to all (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) I'm not sure, if I'm the only one using the LUGNET database for consulting before buying sets? I find the notes (and the ratings) very useable, and I spend just as much time browsing the database as I do browsing the Newsgroups. I also use (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) As most webpages have the navigation/menu on the left hand side, there's where I expect to find it if I need it. Having it turn on and off causes the main text to move around on the page, unless a blank space is reserved (which, in itself, is (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) + When browsing the "20 more" links here (URL) it would be cool if I could choose to only se the topics and not all replies as well. (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I've always woundered why lugnet.com never was lug.net instead? It's registered now (by CIA but I can't find any homepage at (URL) or (URL) but has it always been? In the same line, 3Com should have (URL) wanted to register lug.se but some (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) I hope your not the only one since I try to review each set I get and add a link to the PAUSE Gudie Notes... (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) Yeah, I want to apologize again, I've read 'The European Site' (the only) instead of 'An European Site' (one of). (...) Rather not, thank you ;-)))))))) Publisher and contentwise responsible: René hoping master Rose way 3 16727 upper (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.de)
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(...) How about using different styles of minifigs to represent different themes? A Classic Space minifig for lugnet.space; a knight for lugnet.castle; etc. (...) Yes--LUGNet should be more of a portal to the other online community sites. I think (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) IMO, CLSOT(whatever) should have it's own newsgroup for announcing reviews, suggesting sites, encouraging voting, and discussing winners. --Bram (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Bill Ward wrote in message ... (...) Icons ONLY if they all have some kind of text explanation as well - which kinda makes them redundant. One person's intuitive icon is another person's "huh?". I frequently find myself baffled by website icons (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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(...) That's an excellent idea! (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.publish.html, lugnet.general)
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