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As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a new
set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
Build the Most Famous Cargo Liner in the World!
Maersk Sealand cargo liners sail the seas all over the world, carrying valuable
goods from place to place.Now you can build your own Maersk Sealand Freighter
with this exciting new set! Send it on voyages to far ports, then bring it into
World City harbour. Then it’s time for another new adventure! It measures 69cm
long and is your last chance to buy Maersk bricks!
Ages 8+. 988 pieces.
$74.99
£54.99
EURO 79,99
To clarify, this set will be available through Shop At Home in both Europe and
North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in Europe.
I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this set
(Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
This set uses …drum roll please… Maersk blue! In fact, the run of this new set
uses all the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that there is
literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get Maersk blue.
This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with 10,000 coming to Shop At
Home.
You’ll soon see for yourselves, but I can tell you that this set is absolutely
amazing…and huge!
The set is currently in
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a
> new set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
<snip details>
Awesome news - thanks for the confirmation!
John
#388
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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To clarify, this set will be available through Shop At Home in both Europe
and North America.
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grumblegrumbleofcoursenotAustraliagrumblegrumble
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a
new set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
To clarify, this set will be available through Shop At Home in both Europe
and North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in Europe.
Jake
---
Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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Once again, S@H comes through.... THANK YOU THANK YOU......THANK YOU, and in
case you did not understand....THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guarantee I’ll be placing my order.
Thank you
:-)
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> grumblegrumbleofcoursenotAustraliagrumblegrumble
I see no reason why it cant be made available to australia and new zealand
given that stuff we get comes from the exact same warehouse that people in
europe get their shop @ home items.
Jake, can you look into why this isnt listed on shop.lego.com for australia
and kick someone into gear to get it listed so us aussies can buy our (up
to) 5 sets just like the rest of the world?
I only want one myself but I am sure there are other aussies who want 1,2
or even the full 5 :)
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"Geoff Gray" <geoffgr@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:Hxv45u.3zs@lugnet.com...
[ ... snipped ... ]
> Once again, S@H comes through.... THANK YOU THANK YOU......THANK YOU, and • in
> case you did not understand....THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I guarantee I'll be placing my order.
>
> Thank you
>
> :-)
Agreed. I placed a pre-order with S@H-NA earlier this morning and was told
they would ship in late May. Since it is already May 17th, they should ship
within the next two weeks.
I am looking forward to this set, it looks like a real winner. Kudos to TLC
for making it available via S@H.
Mike
--
Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com
http://www.ncltc.cc - North Carolina LEGO Train Club
http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mpw - CTB/Brick Depot
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In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> > grumblegrumbleofcoursenotAustraliagrumblegrumble
> I see no reason why it cant be made available to australia and new zealand
> given that stuff we get comes from the exact same warehouse that people in
> europe get their shop @ home items.
>
> Jake, can you look into why this isnt listed on shop.lego.com for australia
> and kick someone into gear to get it listed so us aussies can buy our (up
> to) 5 sets just like the rest of the world?
As of a few min ago, it wasn't listed on the US site yet (happy to be proven
wrong, mind you!) so it may just have been an omission on Jake's part to not
mention Australia (and etc)...
That's just speculation on my part but I hope it's helpful
++Lar
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In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> > grumblegrumbleofcoursenotAustraliagrumblegrumble
> I see no reason why it cant be made available to australia and new zealand
> given that stuff we get comes from the exact same warehouse that people in
> europe get their shop @ home items.
>
> Jake, can you look into why this isnt listed on shop.lego.com for australia
> and kick someone into gear to get it listed so us aussies can buy our (up
> to) 5 sets just like the rest of the world?
>
> I only want one myself but I am sure there are other aussies who want 1,2
> or even the full 5 :)
I should have been more clear about this. All Shope At Home items (minus a few
exceptions) that are available in Europe are also available to Australia and New
Zealand. The 10152 is available to you as well, but the product isn't loaded on
the http://www.legoshop.com site yet. Should be later today.
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
<snip>
> The set is currently in
>
> Jake
>
> ---¬
> Jake McKee¬
> Community Liaison¬
> LEGO Community Development
I just pre-ordered 1 from phone S@H in Enfield. Donna was very nice and
informed me that she has already received many phone calls from *very* happy
FOL's. She also mentioned that the shipments should be received by end of May,
so I should be receiving the set at the beginning of June.
So there you are.
Order yours today! :)
Dave K
-the credit card is crying this month.
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> The 10152 is available to you as well, but the product isn't loaded on
> the http://www.legoshop.com site yet. Should be later today.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Well, I'm going to press "REFRESH" a lot today!
/\/\ark "still no 10152 on the dutch site" de Kock
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a
new set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
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Just wanted to say THANKS!
Although TLG has made some poor decisions (in my opinion), they’ve also done
some wonderful things lately. Let’s hope they keep up the latter!
-Bryan
(whose credit card has also been hurting recently)
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snip
Appears to be 12 studs wide, and about 83-85 studs long!
Scott Lyttle
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
> I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this • set
> (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
Hey now! Why do I always seem to be the one singled out? I am by far not
the only person that buys a lot of Lego! :)
Besides, i'm out of money anyways! :(
Troy
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In lugnet.lego, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
> news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
>
> > I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this set
> > (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
>
> Hey now! Why do I always seem to be the one singled out? I am by far not
> the only person that buys a lot of Lego! :)
>
> Besides, i'm out of money anyways! :(
>
> Troy
I hear ya, Troy! Between the F1 and the other thing, my credit card's not happy
at all.
I think that TLC should try to pace themselves thru the year with these new sets
and/or announcements, instead of all at once! :)
Dave K
-who's entire paycheque this week'll go directly towards LEGO purchases ;)
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"Troy's Surplus Lego" <legosales@tcphoto.net> wrote in message
news:HxvBB9.1Eu8@lugnet.com...
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
> news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
>
> > I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this • set
> > (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
>
> Hey now! Why do I always seem to be the one singled out? I am by far not
> the only person that buys a lot of Lego! :)
>
> Besides, i'm out of money anyways! :(
>
> Troy
>
>
>
Just a hunch but maybe because of pictures like these?
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3145
:-)
Mike
--
Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com
http://www.ncltc.cc - North Carolina LEGO Train Club
http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mpw - CTB/Brick Depot
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> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
> news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
>
> > I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this • set
> > (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
>
> Hey now! Why do I always seem to be the one singled out? I am by far not
> the only person that buys a lot of Lego! :)
>
> Besides, i'm out of money anyways! :(
>
> Troy
Are you saying you did NOT order your 5 then?
Snicker™
Sharkey
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In lugnet.lego, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
> news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
>
> > I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this set
> > (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
>
> Hey now! Why do I always seem to be the one singled out? I am by far not
> the only person that buys a lot of Lego! :)
Maybe, just maybe, because of pictures that you publish on Brickshelf:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=52043
I dunno.....
>
> Besides, i'm out of money anyways! :(
That's what credit cards ar for. You're not the only one hurting moneywise, but
there's always room for a little bit more hurt....
Paul
>
> Troy
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> To clarify, this set [will] be available through Shop At Home in both Europe
> and North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
> beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in Europe.
Thanks for the info Jake. Do you know if this set will be for sale at LLCA? I
have never seen a "S@H only" set not show up at LLCA.
Thanks
Mark P
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"Mark P" <mark@landofbricks.com> wrote in message
news:HxvEHv.207p@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
>
> > To clarify, this set [will] be available through Shop At Home in both • Europe
> > and North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we • should
> > beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in • Europe.
>
> Thanks for the info Jake. Do you know if this set will be for sale at • LLCA? I
> have never seen a "S@H only" set not show up at LLCA.
>
> Thanks
> Mark P
It's on the web now:
http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=10152
No price listed yet.
Mike
--
Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com
http://www.ncltc.cc - North Carolina LEGO Train Club
http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mpw - CTB/Brick Depot
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As of a few minutes ago this set is available for back-order (i.e. the price is
now posted) on the Americas S@H site.
I’m waiting for better pictures/inventory - it looks like it may include an
orange piece that has not been previously available, that I’ve been waiting
several years for!
Steve
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Hi Jake,
thank you for the information, really nice set, well done!!! (Fancy that, we
planned this set to be announced at the 1000steineland 2004 :-)
Here are some better pictures:
Leg Godt!
René
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Hey, that’s great. Nautica sets again! While I read this I am both thrilled
and somewhat despondant. I LOVE the design, the use of that old-space blue and
part-per-buck content.
The thing that jandices me a bit is not this set, but the issues revolving
around “color” that accompany this fine set. It just serves as a reminder that
feels like a poke in the eye. Must be timing, more than anything, that gives me
the red-eye.
Bah. Tell me not of color uses and supply any more. It’s giving me an ulcer.
If I buy, where will I sort M-blues to? I had to devote a whole new system of
drawers just for bley, d’bley, and r’brown. I think I’m gonna past on this,
though I find it to be an awesome set, and great value. Only 10K available you
say? Better let the Town/Train fans have ‘em, says I.
-Aaron-
Babbler of Useless Complaints
Man 1, “I wanted to complain!”
Man2, “That’s down the hall, room 12, this is ‘Being Hit On The Head Lessons’.”
Man 1, “What a stupid concept.”
Monty Python
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Thank you Jake! This is an awesome set, and this is the most excited I’ve been
over a set since main street. Keep them coming :) Thanks!!!
James
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This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with 10,000 coming to Shop At
Home.
You’ll soon see for yourselves, but I can tell you that this set is
absolutely amazing…and huge!
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Question for you. Is there any possiblity that if the set sells well, that
another production run using a different color would be created? Maybe a
drastically different but still fairly rare color like dark red or something? I
know you can’t actually give specifics, but can you at least tell us whether it
is even a possiblity. I have been hoping one of the Nautica sets would show up
as a legend but that set is ten times better. I could definately see myself
buying a couple of those over the next year or two, regardless of color, if it
lasted that long.
-Mike Petrucelli
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a
new set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
Build the Most Famous Cargo Liner in the World!
Maersk Sealand cargo liners sail the seas all over the world, carrying
valuable goods from place to place.Now you can build your own Maersk Sealand
Freighter with this exciting new set! Send it on voyages to far ports, then
bring it into World City harbour.
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World City harbour? Makes me wonder if there harbor sets upcoming, or if this
is merely a benign phrase. On the box, the shadows behind the boat are the
cranes from 6542, if I am not mistaken.
Anyway, compliments to TLC for releasing this nice set. Anyone know whether
this is minifig scale or not?
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It measures 69cm long and is your last chance to buy Maersk bricks!
Ages 8+. 988 pieces.
$74.99
£54.99
EURO 79,99
To clarify, this set will be available through Shop At Home in both Europe
and North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in Europe.
I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this set
(Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
This set uses …drum roll please… Maersk blue! In fact, the run of this new
set uses all the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that
there is literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get
Maersk blue.
This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with 10,000 coming to Shop At
Home.
You’ll soon see for yourselves, but I can tell you that this set is
absolutely amazing…and huge!
The set is currently in
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> I should have been more clear about this. All Shope At Home items (minus a few
> exceptions) that are available in Europe are also available to Australia and New
> Zealand. The 10152 is available to you as well, but the product isn't loaded on
> the http://www.legoshop.com site yet. Should be later today.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Cool. I retract my grumbling.
Any Briburnians care to go in for a joint order? Hang on, we'll still only be
able to get a max. of 5 even on a joint order won't we? I only want one, but I
don't think it'd take much to exceed the maximum.
A
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In lugnet.lego, René Hoffmeister wrote:
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Hi Jake,
thank you for the information, really nice set, well done!!! (Fancy that, we
planned this set to be announced at the 1000steineland 2004 :-)
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I was thinking that maybe they were ready to go sooner? Or the leaks forced
their hands?
Well on the bright side maybe Jake will come up with a nifty surprise for you
next month.
Thanks for the better pics!
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Anyone know how much lt-bley, dk-bley and chocolate brown this set includes?
Hopefully we can get an inventory soon and find out for sure :)
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> I should have been more clear about this. All Shope At Home items (minus a few
> exceptions) that are available in Europe are also available to Australia and New
A few exceptions? What exceptions?
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Thank you, LEGO, for making this available to the public. Placed my order this
afternoon and I can’t wait to build it.
On a related note, it has already (surprise! surprise!) made its first
appearence on eBay :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3193982862
I’ve added it to my watch list to see how much it goes for. Bidding started at a
penny, it is already at $46, and it has been less than eight hours since it was
listed.
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Thanks for the pictures - definitely the clearest I’ve seen so far. I’m hoping
that the pieces on the back of the orange vents/cowlings/whatever-they-are next
to the bridge are orange Brick 2x1 with Curved Top:  It
looks promising. I guess we’ll find out for sure in a few weeks.
Steve
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released a
> new set: 10152 – Maersk Container Ship.
>
> {Build the Most Famous Cargo Liner in the World!
> Maersk Sealand cargo liners sail the seas all over the world, carrying
> valuable goods from place to place.Now you can build your own Maersk Sealand
> Freighter with this exciting new set! Send it on voyages to far ports, then
> bring it into World City harbour. Then it's time for another new adventure!
> It measures 69cm long and is your last chance to buy Maersk bricks!}
>
> {Ages 8+. 988 pieces.¬
> $74.99¬
> £54.99 ¬
> EURO 79,99}¬
>
> To clarify, this set [will] be available through Shop At Home in both Europe
> and North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
> beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in Europe.
>
> I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this set
> (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
> This set uses …drum roll please… Maersk blue! In fact, the run of this new
> set uses [all] the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that
> there is literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get
> Maersk blue.
>
> This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with [10,000] coming to Shop At
> Home.
>
> You’ll soon see for yourselves, but I can tell you that this set is
> absolutely amazing…and [huge]!
>
> The set is currently in
>
> Jake
>
> ---¬
> Jake McKee¬
> Community Liaison¬
> LEGO Community Development
Funny.
When talking to Maersk the other day they told me that it is for internal use
only.
I am not sure whether I need this set. It is great, but I really dont have the
need.
BR
Sonnich
http://www.hot.ee/sonnich/lego/
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They look like the piece, and they probably are orange, since that is the correct
color for...
FYI, I'm pretty sure those are supposed to be the self-contained-atmosphere
lifeboats that are placed on some ships. The ones I've seen simply tilt on a rack
and drop to the surface, they are not lowered. I believe they do this to get them
away from the vortex of a sinking ship, as they hit with some speed, a decent
distance from the hull, and are moving immediately.
Steve Demlow wrote:
> Thanks for the pictures - definitely the clearest I've seen so far. I'm hoping
> that the pieces on the back of the orange vents/cowlings/whatever-they-are next
> to the bridge are orange Brick 2x1 with Curved Top: <<LDrawPart(6091:25)>> It
> looks promising. I guess we'll find out for sure in a few weeks.
>
> Steve
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Tom Stangl
*http://www.vfaq.com/
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*http://www.vfaq.net/
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Hmmmmmmmmm that seller is from the U.S. yet he is allready selling this? How is
THAT? Unless Europe allready shipped and he got one from them.Other wise he is
selling something he does not have! I know that is against BL rules what what
Ebay?? Chris
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On a related note, it has already (surprise! surprise!) made its first
appearence on eBay :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3193982862
I’ve added it to my watch list to see how much it goes for. Bidding started
at a penny, it is already at $46, and it has been less than eight hours since
it was listed.
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In lugnet.lego, Chris Leach wrote:
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Hmmmmmmmmm that seller is from the U.S. yet he is allready selling this? How
is THAT? Unless Europe allready shipped and he got one from them.Other wise
he is selling something he does not have! I know that is against BL rules
what what Ebay?? Chris
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Yeah he’s probably timing it so that by the time the auction ends, he’ll have
the set in his hands...
What’s really sad is that the current highest bid is much more than the regular
price of the set - even if you factor in the S@H shipping costs!
Well, let the buyer beware!
-Bryan
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In lugnet.lego, Mark Herzberg wrote:
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Thank you, LEGO, for making this available to the public. Placed my order
this afternoon and I can’t wait to build it.
On a related note, it has already (surprise! surprise!) made its first
appearence on eBay :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3193982862
I’ve added it to my watch list to see how much it goes for. Bidding started
at a penny, it is already at $46, and it has been less than eight hours since
it was listed.
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Looks like he’s not the only one-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19011&item=3194122469&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Adr.
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I just got an email notice that my copy of 10152 has shipped. It looks like
it became available about a month early.
The web site says "available now" as well, instead of something like "will
ship by xxx"
Note: Sorry if this was already posted, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message
news:Hxv0An.1Hnx@lugnet.com...
> As many of you have seen from the leaked pictures online, we have released • a new
> set: 10152 - Maersk Container Ship.
>
> {Build the Most Famous Cargo Liner in the World!
> Maersk Sealand cargo liners sail the seas all over the world, carrying • valuable
> goods from place to place.Now you can build your own Maersk Sealand • Freighter
> with this exciting new set! Send it on voyages to far ports, then bring it • into
> World City harbour. Then it's time for another new adventure! It measures • 69cm
> long and is your last chance to buy Maersk bricks!}
>
> {Ages 8+. 988 pieces.¬
> $74.99¬
> £54.99 ¬
> EURO 79,99}¬
>
> To clarify, this set [will] be available through Shop At Home in both • Europe and
> North America. The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
> beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in • Europe.
>
> I do know, however, that there will be 5 set limit per customer on this • set
> (Troy, are you listening? J). Why you ask?
>
> This set uses .drum roll please. Maersk blue! In fact, the run of this new • set
> uses [all] the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that there • is
> literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get Maersk • blue.
>
> This is a small run too - only 14,000 total, with [10,000] coming to Shop • At
> Home.
>
> You'll soon see for yourselves, but I can tell you that this set is • absolutely
> amazing.and [huge]!
>
> The set is currently in
>
> Jake
>
> ---¬
> Jake McKee¬
> Community Liaison¬
> LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Brad Hamilton wrote:
> I just got an email notice that my copy of 10152 has shipped. It looks like
> it became available about a month early.
I just received notice too! It's scheduled to be delivered to me via UPS on
Friday :)
Julie
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In lugnet.lego, Tanvir Mahtab wrote:
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World City harbour? Makes me wonder if there harbor sets upcoming, or if
this is merely a benign phrase. On the box, the shadows behind the boat are
the cranes from 6542, if I am not mistaken.
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I think it’s the crane from set #4514 instead, because in the shadow image that
you’ve mentioned, you can see a contour of the sideways mounted floodlights at
the end of the boom. It’s a detail typical for set #4514.
See: http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4514
With friendly greetings, M. Moolhuysen.
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In lugnet.lego, Thomas Stangl wrote:
> FYI, I'm pretty sure those are supposed to be the self-contained-atmosphere
> lifeboats that are placed on some ships. The ones I've seen simply tilt on
> a rack and drop to the surface, they are not lowered. I believe they do
> this to get them away from the vortex of a sinking ship, as they hit with
> some speed, a decent distance from the hull, and are moving immediately.
I't not to avoid a vortex (you should have abandoned ship well before this
happens) but to quickly escape spread-out fire caused by burning oil or fuel
floating on the water. And they are much safer to launch into a rough sea,
compaired to lowering a boat with cables.
With friendly greetings, M. Moolhuysen.
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Jake:
The containers look to be 2 studs wide which makes this about 1/2 minifig
scale. Do you know if the design scales up? I mean if you had two (or three)
sets could you build it wider and longer and have a minfig scale ship? I guess
it comes down to the superstructure. Maybe you could pass this question on to
the design team.
Also, is the lower hull dark red?
Lester
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lester witter wrote:
> The containers look to be 2 studs wide which makes this about 1/2 minifig
> scale. Do you know if the design scales up? I mean if you had two (or three)
> sets could you build it wider and longer and have a minfig scale ship? I guess
> it comes down to the superstructure. Maybe you could pass this question on to
> the design team.
Well, this comes down to simple math: if you want to double a
threedimensional object in all dimensions, you basically need 2x2x2=8
times the material. Thats the easy answer.
Concerning scale:
The containers on the ship are 1.6cm wide and high.
A real container is 300cm wide and high (10ft).
-> This would be a scale of 1:187.5
The containers on the ship are 6.4cm long.
A real container is 1200cm long (40ft).
-> This also yields a scale of 1:187.5
Minifigs are about 1:42. A proper Minifig-scaled container would be 9
studs wide, 36 studs long and 7 2/3 bricks high.
I've seen containers made from Lego at approx. 1:47 (8 wide, 32 long, 6
2/3 high), which is the most usable scale for this kind of model,
fitting nicely with 8wide trains.
So, for usable and realistic sizes and scales to fit with a minifig,
that ship is nearly 1/4 Minifig scale, and therefor you would need
4x4x4=64 sets to make it fit the Minifigs (yes, this is a very simple
answer, and does leave out a lot of things, like "making containers
hollow", "different structural needs" and "some things won't scale,
anyway, like the windows").
Boy, you'll propably have to sacrifice your grandmother to get that
amount of sets ;-)
HTH, Christian
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in
Europe.
Jake
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Dear Jake,
I received shipping notification yesterday, as did others.
Please give me the company that unloads freigth containers, gets them through
customs, unpacks containers and ships them to customers, all within 24 hours.
Many compnaies in the US always struggle with the speed of customs, unloading,
etc. How does Lego get this done so fast?
Or... were the sets already in the warehouse (for a while), and was the
information you were told to pass on not entirely acurate....
Paul
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In lugnet.lego, Paul Janssen wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in
Europe.
Jake
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Dear Jake,
I received shipping notification yesterday, as did others.
Please give me the company that unloads freigth containers, gets them through
customs, unpacks containers and ships them to customers, all within 24 hours.
Many compnaies in the US always struggle with the speed of customs,
unloading, etc. How does Lego get this done so fast?
Or... were the sets already in the warehouse (for a while), and was the
information you were told to pass on not entirely acurate....
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It’s not that anything was incorrect, but that multiple tasks that typically (or
at least often) take longer to come together worked out lighting fast this time
around. When I first posted, the latest data was that we would need until June
to start shipping. It turned out that we were able to start shipping sooner... I
hope you don’t mind! :)
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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> In lugnet.lego, Paul Janssen wrote:
> > In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> >
> > > The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
> > > beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in
> > > Europe.
> > >
> > > Jake
> >
> > Dear Jake,
> >
> > I received shipping notification yesterday, as did others.
> >
> > Please give me the company that unloads freight containers, • gets them through
> > customs, unpacks containers and ships them to customers, all • within 24 hours.
> >
> > Many companies in the US always struggle with the speed of customs,
> > unloading, etc. How does Lego get this done so fast?
> >
> > Or... were the sets already in the warehouse (for a while), and was the
> > information you were told to pass on not entirely accurate....
>
> It's not that anything was incorrect, but that multiple tasks
> that typically (or
> at least often) take longer to come together worked out lighting
> fast this time
> around. When I first posted, the latest data was that we would
> need until June
> to start shipping. It turned out that we were able to start
> shipping sooner... I
> hope you don't mind! :)
Jake
Paul was NOT complaining....;-)
As Lar says.... "under promise & over deliver"
Thanx for the GREAT set AND unexpected early delivery...:-D
Thanx,
Mark Millere
Visit Milissa's Lego™ Store, Millere's Spares™
http://www.MilleresSpares.com
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Paul Janssen wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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The sets are on their way to North America, and we should
beginning shipping them in late June. They are currently available in
Europe.
Jake
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Dear Jake,
I received shipping notification yesterday, as did others.
Please give me the company that unloads freigth containers, gets them
through customs, unpacks containers and ships them to customers, all within
24 hours.
Many compnaies in the US always struggle with the speed of customs,
unloading, etc. How does Lego get this done so fast?
Or... were the sets already in the warehouse (for a while), and was the
information you were told to pass on not entirely acurate....
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It’s not that anything was incorrect, but that multiple tasks that typically
(or at least often) take longer to come together worked out lighting fast
this time around. When I first posted, the latest data was that we would
need
until June to start shipping. It turned out that we were able to start
shipping sooner... I hope you don’t mind! :)
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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Although I do not mind, you did write that the sets “...are on their way to
North America..”. I do not mind faster shipping, but as I do import stuff for my
lab and as a company rep. as part of my job(s), and deal with customs myself
(tons of paperwork/stamps/etc), I cannot buy it that they were”...on their
way...”. They must have been in the warehouse already. Of couse I do not mind
shipping sooner, but I am just interested in the workings of the company, do
they write up what you can communicate to us, do you get some facts and are
expected to write with limited knowledge, or is it even a PR plot to say “look
how fast we are”...:)
Paul
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In lugnet.lego, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> lester witter wrote:
> > The containers look to be 2 studs wide which makes this about 1/2 minifig
> > scale. Do you know if the design scales up? I mean if you had two (or three)
> > sets could you build it wider and longer and have a minfig scale ship? I guess
> > it comes down to the superstructure. Maybe you could pass this question on to
> > the design team.
> Well, this comes down to simple math: if you want to double a
> threedimensional object in all dimensions, you basically need 2x2x2=8
> times the material. Thats the easy answer.
That's true for a solid object, but as the 8wide fans point out to me all the
time when I use this scaleup against them, this object isn't completely solid.
you may not need 8 times as much hull brick to make a 2x hull, for example.
(howver you're going to need a lot more interior. (and you allude to that
below))
Interesting exercise! And one that matters to me, because thats going to be my
use for this set (after I build one copy and enjoy it)... making other stuff.
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In lugnet.lego, Paul Janssen wrote:
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Although I do not mind, you did write that the sets “...are on their way to
North America..”. I do not mind faster shipping, but as I do import stuff for
my lab and as a company rep. as part of my job(s), and deal with customs
myself (tons of paperwork/stamps/etc), I cannot buy it that they were”...on
their way...”. They must have been in the warehouse already. Of couse I do
not mind shipping sooner, but I am just interested in the workings of the
company, do they write up what you can communicate to us, do you get some
facts and are expected to write with limited knowledge, or is it even a PR
plot to say “look how fast we are”...:)
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Nope. I’ve written every word (minus the S@H product descriptions) you’ve seen
me post on LUGNET for my 4+ years I’ve been posting.
I apologize for any misunderstanding. I just meant they are on their way to your
house, (shipping, unpacking, customs, etc.), not that they were at the moment of
writing on a ship in the ocean. My mistake in communication.
Boy, I’m really in the hot seat these days...even the good news gets me in
trouble!
:)
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Paul Janssen wrote:
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Although I do not mind, you did write that the sets “...are on their way to
North America..”. I do not mind faster shipping, but as I do import stuff
for my lab and as a company rep. as part of my job(s), and deal with customs
myself (tons of paperwork/stamps/etc), I cannot buy it that they were”...on
their way...”. They must have been in the warehouse already. Of couse I do
not mind shipping sooner, but I am just interested in the workings of the
company, do they write up what you can communicate to us, do you get some
facts and are expected to write with limited knowledge, or is it even a PR
plot to say “look how fast we are”...:)
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Nope. I’ve written every word (minus the S@H product descriptions) you’ve
seen me post on LUGNET for my 4+ years I’ve been posting.
I apologize for any misunderstanding. I just meant they are on their way to
your house, (shipping, unpacking, customs, etc.), not that they were at the
moment of writing on a ship in the ocean. My mistake in communication.
Boy, I’m really in the hot seat these days...even the good news gets me in
trouble!
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Yup! I was thinking when I read your post of a big Maersk blue ship with Maersk
blue containers carrying Maersk blue ships with white and grey containers, when
I was made rudely aware that they are already in a plain brown boxes in nasty
brown UPS trucks!!
Of course this is good news!!
Thanks,
Paul
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Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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Apparently some of the Germans have already received theirs. Some close-up
pictures are posted at:
http://www.kleinesteine.de/info/10152/index.htm
It still looks really good. The one disappointing thing I see is that one of
the two rows of the Maersk-blue bricks are 1x4 L-wall panels, not basic bricks.
It certainly makes sense in the context of the model, but means fewer “really
reusable” bricks in that color. And yes, that orange part is in there!
Steve
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In lugnet.lego, Steve Demlow wrote:
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It still looks really good. The one disappointing thing I see is that one of
the two rows of the Maersk-blue bricks are 1x4 L-wall panels, not basic
bricks. It certainly makes sense in the context of the model, but means fewer
“really reusable” bricks in that color. And yes, that orange part is in
there!
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The thing I dislike about those 1x4 L-wall panels is that the corners are
rounded! So when you line a bunch of them together, there are small
indentations at the joints. :(
Also, is that a new bow plate? It appears to be 12-studs wide.
-Bryan
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> > lester witter wrote:
> > > The containers look to be 2 studs wide which makes this about 1/2 minifig
> > > scale. Do you know if the design scales up? I mean if you had two (or three)
> > > sets could you build it wider and longer and have a minfig scale ship? I guess
> > > it comes down to the superstructure. Maybe you could pass this question on to
> > > the design team.
> > Well, this comes down to simple math: if you want to double a
> > threedimensional object in all dimensions, you basically need 2x2x2=8
> > times the material. Thats the easy answer.
>
> That's true for a solid object, but as the 8wide fans point out to me all the
> time when I use this scaleup against them, this object isn't completely solid.
> you may not need 8 times as much hull brick to make a 2x hull, for example.
> (howver you're going to need a lot more interior. (and you allude to that
> below))
Excluding all internal supports and bracing, what we are really concerned about
is surface area, since that's the brick we see. If an object is scaled up 2
times, its surface area goes up by a factor of 4. Thus, you would need, at
minimum, 4 times as many bricks to make the object twice as large. Use your own
to build the internal structure and you're good to go.
So, to scale this ship up to something approaching minifig scale, you'd only
have to buy 16 sets. The big problem would then be piece distribution, since
we'd have way more of those 1x4x1 wall panels than we need, and not enough basic
bricks.
How about that, my engineering degree is coming in handy :)
Adrian
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http://www.brickfrenzy.com
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In lugnet.lego, Adrian Drake wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Christian Treczoks wrote:
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lester witter wrote:
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The containers look to be 2 studs wide which makes this about 1/2 minifig
scale. Do you know if the design scales up? I mean if you had two (or
three) sets could you build it wider and longer and have a minfig scale
ship? I guess it comes down to the superstructure. Maybe you could pass
this question on to the design team.
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Well, this comes down to simple math: if you want to double a
threedimensional object in all dimensions, you basically need 2x2x2=8
times the material. Thats the easy answer.
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That’s true for a solid object, but as the 8wide fans point out to me all the
time when I use this scaleup against them, this object isn’t completely
solid. you may not need 8 times as much hull brick to make a 2x hull, for
example. (howver you’re going to need a lot more interior. (and you allude to
that below))
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Excluding all internal supports and bracing, what we are really concerned
about is surface area, since that’s the brick we see. If an object is scaled
up 2 times, its surface area goes up by a factor of 4. Thus, you would need,
at minimum, 4 times as many bricks to make the object twice as large. Use
your own to build the internal structure and you’re good to go.
So, to scale this ship up to something approaching minifig scale, you’d only
have to buy 16 sets. The big problem would then be piece distribution, since
we’d have way more of those 1x4x1 wall panels than we need, and not enough
basic bricks.
How about that, my engineering degree is coming in handy :)
Adrian
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Compare with my 40ft container 40’ x 8’ x 9’6” high:
Apart from it needing the Maersk blue bits for the star, I’d ideally like to
make a ship to 8mm:1ft scale with these containers onboard, multiplying all
dimensions by 4! The ship would be 2.8m long and would have to be transported
in sections, probably modules on 48x48 plates! I like the thought though,
especially if I had a warehouse full of railway to go with it!
The bow plate is 12-wide and you’d need to make a 48-wide one for a minifig
scale ship. Also, the containers start with 2x8 bricks but it’s 1-wide bricks
that you’d mneed for building large containers.
The ship is essentially a flat piece (the deck) with a cuboid piece (the bridge
etc...) on top, so the deck area scales up by a factor of 4 for every doubling
of dimensions and the bridge volume by a factor of 8.
Therefore this set doesn’t scale up very well :-( but does any set? Anyone who
really wanted to, and needed 16 ships, would have to get 3 friends to order more
for them!
Good to see more dark red pieces though. I’d like bricks and train windows in
dark red for doing proper British coaches.
All those floor studs (25 per ship) will be useful as train buffers if I use the
parts for other things later.
Mark
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In lugnet.lego, Mark Bellis wrote:
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Compare with my 40ft container 40’ x 8’ x 9’6” high:
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Apart from it needing the Maersk blue bits for the star, I’d ideally like to
make a ship to 8mm:1ft scale with these containers onboard, multiplying all
dimensions by 4! The ship would be 2.8m long and would have to be
transported in sections, probably modules on 48x48 plates! I like the
thought though, especially if I had a warehouse full of railway to go with
it!
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Well, that’s sharp and all, but I think building to scale really misses the
point.
That container’s 8 wide! I prefer my scenes more packed with detail rather than
doing one 10 foot long ship so that I can fit my to scale containers on. (and,
arguably, 10 foot is too short if you want 6000 TEU worth of containers on it).
Absolute to scale realism is for scale models. This is a toy. I want to evoke a
scene, not get the rivet count right. Think tinplate, not scale.
Where on earth are you going to get space to show a 10 foot long ship, in
context with several others, and with containre cranes busily unloading, as just
PART of an overall layout? In the space you’d spend JUST on your ship, I can do
several, then fit in an engine yard, a farm and maybe a mountain.
Selective compresssion is clearly the way to go here. I’m just myself not sure
if I switch to 6 wide containers or stick with the LEGO standard (1) 4 wide
containers... I’ll ooh and aah at your models as interesting academic exercises,
but I won’t be building 8 wide containers.
That’s not to say that your way is wrong. I’ll grant you it’s not wrong, if
you’ll grant me that I’m not wrong either.
If you have fun with it, go ahead, have fun. It’s just that when people post
about stuff and leave the implication that if you don’t do things to scale
you’re all wrong, it rather gets up my nose a bit. Ask J2.
Sorry, off soapbox now.
1 - yes, there are older 6 wide containers, but if you consider the number of
different LEGO sets that use each standard, it’s clear to me 4 is the
predominant one.
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My biggest dislike is all the Bley and chocolate brown :(
But the rest of the set (all the windows, maresk blue etc) is so good that
I just gotta get one :)
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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I apologize for any misunderstanding. I just meant they are on their way to
your house, (shipping, unpacking, customs, etc.), not that they were at the
moment of writing on a ship in the ocean. My mistake in communication.
Boy, I’m really in the hot seat these days...even the good news gets me in
trouble!
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Nah. You’re not in trouble for this. I damn near jumped out of my skin with
excitement when I got my tracking numbers this morning. Besides, I think Paul is
just trying to get information from you. At least Christian hasn’t jumped in on
this part of the thread. Then you’d be on the hot seat (big grin). Personally I
think you have a lot of very excited people over this entire deal. And since my
sets should be here on a Friday, I’ll crack the case...and a case of beer, and
build and drink in your honor. I’d send you one, but the ATF would probably
arrest me and confiscate my ships.....
Build on.
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
SNIP
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Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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Today (Thursday 5-20-04) I just got my 2 sets that i ordered monday nite!!!! I
thought the Lego shop site said it would ship by 5-26-04. Oh,I’m in New
Hampshire.
I’ve never seen Maersk blue b4, so for others who are curious, it looks slightly
more turquoise-y than regular lt blue. The bottom of the ship is dk. red (i saw
that question somewhere & dodn’t feel like finding the thread now). The set has
a big box (the sneak picture made it look small-ish). It looks like a fantastic
set (I literally just got home & opened the box & am now posting) & I’m going to
*try* to save building it t’til next weekend, as I’m going to Maine (by the
ocean!).
Jeff
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Rather than sift through all the replies in all the threads, can someone who
owns it and has it built tell me if its minifig scale? Like can a figure fit
inside it?
thanks
--member 1893
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:15:34 GMT, "Dan Warren" <aneurysm_2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Rather than sift through all the replies in all the threads, can someone who
> owns it and has it built tell me if its minifig scale? Like can a figure fit
> inside it?
>
> thanks
>
> --member 1893
No, it's not. See a few topics ago: "A little math concerning
containers and minifigs" (or something similar)...
Duq
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In lugnet.lego, Daniel Warren wrote:
> Rather than sift through all the replies in all the threads, can someone who
> owns it and has it built tell me if its minifig scale? Like can a figure fit
> inside it?
Let me get this straight. Rather than do any work yourself, you'd prefer someone
else to do it for you? I know how challanging it would be too look at the
pictures or read the posts to figure out the answer. Sheesh.
No, it's not minifig scale.
-Jason
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> > > grumblegrumbleofcoursenotAustraliagrumblegrumble
> > I see no reason why it cant be made available to australia and new zealand
> > given that stuff we get comes from the exact same warehouse that people in
> > europe get their shop @ home items.
> >
> > Jake, can you look into why this isnt listed on shop.lego.com for australia
> > and kick someone into gear to get it listed so us aussies can buy our (up
> > to) 5 sets just like the rest of the world?
> >
> > I only want one myself but I am sure there are other aussies who want 1,2
> > or even the full 5 :)
>
> I should have been more clear about this. All Shope At Home items (minus a few
> exceptions) that are available in Europe are also available to Australia and New
> Zealand. The 10152 is available to you as well, but the product isn't loaded on
> the http://www.legoshop.com site yet. Should be later today.
>
> Jake
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> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
I was wondeing...how do LEGO work out their prices?
By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
$74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
£54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
$144.95 AUS
(About 30% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 10030:
$299 US is roughly $420 AUS
£249.99 is roughly $640 Aus
EURO 369,99 is roughly $635 AUS
$569.95 Aus
(About 50% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 10123:
$99.99 US is roughly $140 AUS
£69.99 is roughly $180 Aus
EURO 109,99 is roughly $190 AUS
$199 Aus
(About 30% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 4750:
$7.99 US is roughly $11 AUS
£5.99 is roughly $15 Aus
EURO 9,99 is roughly $17 AUS
$14 Aus
(About 30% higher outside North America)
Now, seeing as the sets are being produced in Europe, WHY are those buying them
there having to pay so much more? After all, Wouldn't it seem logical that those
buying from the source should be getting it CHEAPER than those who have to get
it shipped from the source to an overseas (literally) S@H centre, and then
forwarded from there?
I COULD be wrong, but it seems to me that the rest of the world is SUBSIDISING
the LEGO being sold in North America so that they can keep getting the cheaper
prices.[1]
Is there any truth in this theory...I guess that's up to LEGO to either confirm,
or to try and explain the pricing discrepencies.
[1] I probably shouldn't be surprised...after all, the only way we hear from
LEGO is via North American LEGO company sources, and in general LEGO (produced
in Europe) arrives on sale in North America before it does in Europe...Maybe
they don't even realise that those who don't live in North America buy LEGO?
Benjamin Whytcross
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In lugnet.general, Benjamin Whytcross wrote:
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> [1] I probably shouldn't be surprised...after all, the only way we hear from
> LEGO is via North American LEGO company sources, and in general LEGO (produced
> in Europe) arrives on sale in North America before it does in Europe...Maybe
> they don't even realise that those who don't live in North America buy LEGO?
Well I have actually noticed that although new products may show up on NA S@H
first, often they start shipping to Europe before NA, as was the case with the
Maersk ship. Still doesn't explain the price discrepancies though.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.lego, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Benjamin Whytcross wrote:
> >
> > [1] I probably shouldn't be surprised...after all, the only way we hear from
> > LEGO is via North American LEGO company sources, and in general LEGO (produced
> > in Europe) arrives on sale in North America before it does in Europe...Maybe
> > they don't even realise that those who don't live in North America buy LEGO?
>
> Well I have actually noticed that although new products may show up on NA S@H
> first, often they start shipping to Europe before NA, as was the case with the
> Maersk ship. Still doesn't explain the price discrepancies though.
>
> ROSCO
What I was actually referring to was more along the lines of 200x sets arriving
in stores in the US in November 200x-1 while to the rest of the world it is a
200x release date.
[Out of curiosity:
1) is it now officially a 200x-1 set as it was released in 200x-1 in certain
restricted markets, or is it a 200x set as it was released in its source region
then?
2) how does the copyright on the instructions work, as they are generally (c)
200x...could MEGA-Blocks (for example) copy them, and release them as (c)200x-1,
and then accuse LEGO of copying their instructions? [And does this mean that the
instructions are able to be scanned and posted in 200x-1 when copyright
(presumably) does not apply, but must be taken down on the arrival of 200x]
]
Then again, your point is valid...why does the North American market get so much
advance warning as opposed to the source region, Europe?
Benjamin Whytcross
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>
> I was wondeing...how do LEGO work out their prices?
>
> By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
> $74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
> £54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
> EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
> $144.95 AUS
> (About 30% higher outside North America)
>
>
> Now, seeing as the sets are being produced in Europe, WHY are those buying them
> there having to pay so much more? After all, Wouldn't it seem logical that those
> buying from the source should be getting it CHEAPER than those who have to get
> it shipped from the source to an overseas (literally) S@H centre, and then
> forwarded from there?
>
> I COULD be wrong, but it seems to me that the rest of the world is SUBSIDISING
> the LEGO being sold in North America so that they can keep getting the cheaper
> prices.[1]
>
> Is there any truth in this theory...I guess that's up to LEGO to either confirm,
> or to try and explain the pricing discrepencies.
>
> [1] I probably shouldn't be surprised...after all, the only way we hear from
> LEGO is via North American LEGO company sources, and in general LEGO (produced
> in Europe) arrives on sale in North America before it does in Europe...Maybe
> they don't even realise that those who don't live in North America buy LEGO?
>
> Benjamin Whytcross
Benjamin, I believe that the answer is (at least) twofold:
1. LEGO's way of setting prices for different markets is very complex (I believe
that Jake has stated this before), and the price only partially depends on what
the given market will put up with. For example, in North America I think LEGO
has much more competition from lower priced Canadian MegaBlocks than in Europe.
2. TAXES
In europe the Value Added Tax (VAT) is built into the price of the items on the
shelves and Shop@Home. A quick Google search revealed that the VAT is 15% to
25% in various EU countries. In North America, the taxes are added on top of
the purchase price (this helps maintain the illusion that you're paying less).
In the state of Connecticut (LEGO north america is located in Enfield), you'll
pay 6% tax on top of the 75 USD. In other states, the sales tax is different. In
Ontario, Canada, we get the GST and PST for a total of 15%, or the 15% HST in
the Maritime provinces.
While in Poland last spring, I found that prices in an official LEGO store were
about 20% to 30% more expensive when converted into Canadian (or US) dollars. I
think the VAT is about 22%.
I comfirmed this by pricing the 10152 Maersk through different countries on
Shop@Home, including inputting fake addresses in order to get to the final cost
page for each country:
- canadian order from Ontario - 15% tax added
- US order from Connecticut - 6% tax added
- US order from Washington state - 0% tax added
- German order - 0% tax (VAT is built in)
- Australia - 0% tax added
If you buy from a bricks and mortar store in Washington state, or Illinois, or
whatever, you will have to pay the state sales tax. But if you buy from
Washinton state from Shop@Home, there is no sales tax. Go figure!
But in terms timing, I have noticed quite the opposite, ie. stuff appears on the
shelves in Europe much sooner than in North America:
The http://guide.lugnet.com/set/8453 and http://guide.lugnet.com/set/8451
mini technic sets were in stores in Germany in early April last year, whereas in
Canada, they didn't show up until the end of June.
This year, the 5 Ferrari sets have been available from Shop@Home Germany
since mid-April, but in North America, only the large Technic 1:10 scale ferrari
is available (for 2 weeks now I think).
I've gone through some of this research last year, when I discovered that the
prices in Poland and Germany were quite high compared to north american prices.
Hope this helps...
play well
John
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John Guerquin wrote:
> I've gone through some of this research last year, when I discovered that the
> prices in Poland and Germany were quite high compared to north american prices.
Add Czech Republic to the list.
I wrote a small script to recompute the czech MSRP (price / 1.19 / 27 )
= 19% is the tax, 27 Kc per 1 US dollar.
Then I divided czech price by US MSRP price and got:
1.00-1.20x = Orient Expedition, Belvile, World City, Bionicle, Inventor,
Sports, Technic, Island Extreme, Discovery, Racers
1.20-1.50x = Jack Stone, Duplo, Designer, SW, Spiderman, Harry Potter,
Spybotics
1.50-2.00x on basic tubs, Duplo
6-8x lower buying power here than on the West. I can't understand them.
Their usual point is they can't make it cheaper here because German
hordes ;) would buy it all here and their businessmen would die starving
(not that I care).
BTW: Shelves are full of Megablocks here.
--
Jindroush <jindroush@nospam.seznam.nospam.cz>
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> 2. TAXES
And all this doesn't take into account other taxes Americans pay yearly.
* personal property tax
* vehicle tax
* sin tax (cigs, alcohol, and other "non-necessary things)
* gasoline tax (30-40 cents per gallon?)
* Medicaire (not a tax)
* Social Security (not a tax)
* Federal Income Tax (don't get me started!!!)
* State Income Tax
Health care options and prices in America suck in my opinion.
Social Security benifits may not be around when I reach age 65 (or older).
Federal income tax was a "temporary" supplimental way to fund WW2.
Apparently the US goverment forgot that that war has been over for 60 years.
Do other countries have such a large number of required things they must
pay?
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In lugnet.lego, Rob Hendrix wrote:
> > 2. TAXES
>
> And all this doesn't take into account other taxes Americans pay yearly.
> * personal property tax
> * vehicle tax
> * sin tax (cigs, alcohol, and other "non-necessary things)
> * gasoline tax (30-40 cents per gallon?)
> * Medicaire (not a tax)
> * Social Security (not a tax)
> * Federal Income Tax (don't get me started!!!)
> * State Income Tax
>
> Health care options and prices in America suck in my opinion.
> Social Security benifits may not be around when I reach age 65 (or older).
> Federal income tax was a "temporary" supplimental way to fund WW2.
> Apparently the US goverment forgot that that war has been over for 60 years.
>
> Do other countries have such a large number of required things they must
> pay?
I'd encourage this subthread to migrate away from the current groups and into
off-topic.debate if it goes too much further into comparative analysis of
countries... I XFUT there already.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > And all this doesn't take into account other taxes Americans pay yearly.
> > * personal property tax
> > * vehicle tax
> > * sin tax (cigs, alcohol, and other "non-necessary things)
> > * gasoline tax (30-40 cents per gallon?)
> > * Medicaire (not a tax)
> > * Social Security (not a tax)
> > * Federal Income Tax (don't get me started!!!)
> > * State Income Tax
> > Do other countries have such a large number of required things they must
> > pay?
Builtin taxes: gasoline, other fuels, alcohol, cigarettes (at least). I
think about 90% of gasoline price is various taxes.
health security (in fact a tax)
social security (in fact a tax)
tax from immobilities (is it 'personal property tax'?)
income tax, progressive from 15% to 40%
I work till July only for our _damned_ socialistic goverment.
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> > > Do other countries have such a large number of required things they must
> > > pay?
Yup, the UK's pretty bad too - VAT at 17.5% on most goods (included in the
price though), the fuel tax is incredibly high (about 86%) plus you have to pay
road tax just to have your vehicle on the road. Alcohol and Tobacco taxes are
high as well (Tobacco being a lot higher - but hey, it's to pay for the national
health service (well, 10% of it does... Dunno where the other 90% goes.)) .
Then there's national insurance (about 11%), which covers the National Health
Service, State Pension and Unemployment Benefit.
And finally income tax, which ranges from 10-40%, although most people will
be paying 22%.
Steve
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In lugnet.lego, Benjamin Whytcross wrote:
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I was wondeing...how do LEGO work out their prices?
By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
$74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
£54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
$144.95 AUS
(About 30% higher outside North America)
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Well, I know of two theories:
1. The Whinging Australian(s) Theory
One or more Australians whinge about the Lego company in Australia, the product
availability in Australia or even the price in Australia. The Lego company does
not like this whinging at all, and resolves to punish all Australians by
charging Australians more for Lego.
2. The Whinging American Theory
Many Americans whinge about something Lego does, say, changing the colours
slightly. Many, many don’t know what to do, but know that they’ll be buying less
of the product in future. Lego gets worried, and decides to placate the American
masses by charging them less.
Of course, neither properly accounts for the non-Australian/US price difference,
so probably should be taken with a grain (or perhaps a large truckload) of salt.
;-)
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.lego, John Guerquin wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > I was wondeing...how do LEGO work out their prices?
> >
> > By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
> > $74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
> > £54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
> > EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
> > $144.95 AUS
> > (About 30% higher outside North America)
> >
> >
> > Now, seeing as the sets are being produced in Europe, WHY are those buying them
> > there having to pay so much more? After all, Wouldn't it seem logical that those
> > buying from the source should be getting it CHEAPER than those who have to get
> > it shipped from the source to an overseas (literally) S@H centre, and then
> > forwarded from there?
> >
> > I COULD be wrong, but it seems to me that the rest of the world is SUBSIDISING
> > the LEGO being sold in North America so that they can keep getting the cheaper
> > prices.[1]
> >
> > Is there any truth in this theory...I guess that's up to LEGO to either confirm,
> > or to try and explain the pricing discrepencies.
> >
> > [1] I probably shouldn't be surprised...after all, the only way we hear from
> > LEGO is via North American LEGO company sources, and in general LEGO (produced
> > in Europe) arrives on sale in North America before it does in Europe...Maybe
> > they don't even realise that those who don't live in North America buy LEGO?
> >
> > Benjamin Whytcross
>
> Benjamin, I believe that the answer is (at least) twofold:
> 1. LEGO's way of setting prices for different markets is very complex (I believe
> that Jake has stated this before), and the price only partially depends on what
> the given market will put up with. For example, in North America I think LEGO
> has much more competition from lower priced Canadian MegaBlocks than in Europe.
Well, I still don't see why they shouldn't equalize the playing field...If they
can afford to be selling the sets at $X in North America, then why don't they
try and INCREASE sales by selling sets at this price EVERYWHERE. After all,
Megabloks seem to do reasonably well down here in Australia. (In fact, you can
buy a decent sized mega-blok set for roughly HALF (or even LESS) the price of a
comparable LEGO set...and get a much better parts selection and more
playability. Therefore, I would argue that LEGO would need to begin dropping
their prices here as well.[1] (The only exception is the Teenage Turtle sets,
and power rangers, which like Harry potter and Starwars are overpriced to cover
licensing.)
In addition, BestLock have some quite good sets available down here at VERY good
prices...
I assume that in Europe there is a similar problem...
I'd also LOVE to know what OTHER considerations are involved in setting the
prices. (subsidies for North America perhaps...)
> 2. TAXES
>
> In europe the Value Added Tax (VAT) is built into the price of the items on the
> shelves and Shop@Home. A quick Google search revealed that the VAT is 15% to
> 25% in various EU countries. In North America, the taxes are added on top of
> the purchase price (this helps maintain the illusion that you're paying less).
> In the state of Connecticut (LEGO north america is located in Enfield), you'll
> pay 6% tax on top of the 75 USD. In other states, the sales tax is different. In
> Ontario, Canada, we get the GST and PST for a total of 15%, or the 15% HST in
> the Maritime provinces.
>
> While in Poland last spring, I found that prices in an official LEGO store were
> about 20% to 30% more expensive when converted into Canadian (or US) dollars. I
> think the VAT is about 22%.
>
> I comfirmed this by pricing the 10152 Maersk through different countries on
> Shop@Home, including inputting fake addresses in order to get to the final cost
> page for each country:
> - canadian order from Ontario - 15% tax added
> - US order from Connecticut - 6% tax added
> - US order from Washington state - 0% tax added
> - German order - 0% tax (VAT is built in)
> - Australia - 0% tax added
Yep...we have a 10% GST that adds 10% to the price before it is listed in
$AUS...therefore dividing the price by 11 gives you the tax paid.
SO, without GST:
$74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
$144.95 AUS => $131 plus $13 GST
(STILL nearly 30% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 10030:
$299 US is roughly $420 AUS
$569.95 Aus => $518 plus $51.80 GST
(About 20% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 10123:
$99.99 US is roughly $140 AUS
$199 Aus => $180 + $18 GST
(STILL About 30% higher outside North America)
Similarly, 4750:
$7.99 US is roughly $11 AUS
$14 Aus => $12.70 + $1.27 GST
(About 20% higher outside North America)
SO obviously TAX is NOT the reason for the higher prices...
It still looks like North America is expecting the rest of the world to support
its prices. After all, why else do they allow such a large discrepency in
pricing to occur?
It seems to me that LEGO should either be selling to ALL markets at the same
base price (before taxes are added) or they should admit that they are milking
the rest of the world to support a market where they are unable to compete on
the merits of their product without subsidies from other markets. (The only
reason I don't recomment MegaBloks to other shoppers when I'm in the
"Construction brick" isle of a shop is that they still need a little work on the
quality control...otherwise they could quite easily become a better product.
<<SNIP>>
> I've gone through some of this research last year, when I discovered that the
> prices in Poland and Germany were quite high compared to north american prices.
> Hope this helps...
>
> play well
>
> John
Quite interesting, but still misses the important bit...WHY can't LEGO get all
prices to an equal level? All I would like is an explanation from someone as to
why LEGO don't seem to want to equalise the pricing...
Benjamin Whytcross
[1] When the soccer sets came out in 2000 they were pictured in the Australian
catalogue but didn't show on shelves. Then, after many aussies contacted LEGO
Australia they changed their minds and decided to import them into Australia.
However, instead of giving them a high mark-up, they sold them at a very
reasonable price, and in almost all stores they seemed to have sold out of these
sets in about a month. This has shown that if LEGO will sell at a lower margin,
they will obviously sell more product, and will probably end up further in front
as they will be selling a lot more product.
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In lugnet.loc.au, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Benjamin Whytcross wrote:
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I was wondeing...how do LEGO work out their prices?
By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
$74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
£54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
$144.95 AUS
(About 30% higher outside North America)
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Well, I know of two theories:
1. The Whinging Australian(s) Theory
One or more Australians whinge about the Lego company in Australia, the
product availability in Australia or even the price in Australia. The Lego
company does not like this whinging at all, and resolves to punish all
Australians by charging Australians more for Lego.
2. The Whinging American Theory
Many Americans whinge about something Lego does, say, changing the colours
slightly. Many, many don’t know what to do, but know that they’ll be buying
less of the product in future. Lego gets worried, and decides to placate the
American masses by charging them less.
Of course, neither properly accounts for the non-Australian/US price
difference, so probably should be taken with a grain (or perhaps a large
truckload) of salt.
;-)
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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You fogot the really important one...
3. The WMD theory
If you don’t give us what we want we’ll accuse you of having WMD’s and invade.
After all, how else do you explain the colour of your mini-figs.
Of course, this may not be correct either :)
Benjamin Whytcross
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In lugnet.lego, Benjamin Whytcross wrote:
> It still looks like North America is expecting the rest of the world to support
> its prices. After all, why else do they allow such a large discrepency in
> pricing to occur?
Oh, boy, don't I wish I had something to say about Lego's pricing!
Mark (North American)
P.S. I feel your pain, really, I do! :-)
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Rob Hendrix wrote:
> And all this doesn't take into account other taxes Americans pay yearly.
> * personal property tax
> * vehicle tax
> * sin tax (cigs, alcohol, and other "non-necessary things)
> * gasoline tax (30-40 cents per gallon?)
> * Medicaire (not a tax)
> * Social Security (not a tax)
> * Federal Income Tax (don't get me started!!!)
> * State Income Tax
> Health care options and prices in America suck in my opinion.
> Social Security benifits may not be around when I reach age 65 (or older).
> Federal income tax was a "temporary" supplimental way to fund WW2.
> Apparently the US goverment forgot that that war has been over for 60 years.
> Do other countries have such a large number of required things they must
> pay?
Well, your list matches mine here in Germany, with two notable exceptions:
We pay about EUR1.20 (US$1.44) per liter gasoline, of which EUR0.90 to
0.95 are taxes. With 4.55 liter being a gallon, and the Euro at about
US$1.20 we pay roughly US$5 taxes per gallon (no, this is no mistake!).
On top of our Income Tax we have a fat add-on to subsidize the eastern
half of Germany. This was originally planned for a few years after the
reunion to bring the former GDR up to par, and has now been extended to
2020 and beyond, IIRC. So much for "Joys of Reunion"...
We've got some very historic-exotic taxes, too, e.g. on salt or on
lightbulbs(!) ;-)
BTW, about 60% of all secondary literature on taxes and evading them
world wide is written in German - go figure :-(
On the other hand, our Sales Tax is "only" 16%. Nonetheless, Lego prices
are roughly 1.6-1.8 times the American ones, although we are Denmarks
next-door neighbours, and there are no transatlantic transport costs to
cover.
Yours, Christian (who just wanted to set some points right)
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By my calculation, 10152 is being sold at the following:
$74.99 US is roughly $105 AUS
£54.99 is roughly $140 Aus
EURO 79,99 is roughly $136 AUS
$144.95 AUS
(About 30% higher outside North America)
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I think Lego Australia should review there pricing policy, as competition here
in Australia is growing with respect to brick sales. Lately, over the past 6
months I have noticed in Kmart and Big W stores the gradual reduction in the
amount of Lego Shelf space and the opposite growth in the MEGABLOCK shelf space.
Some stores even now have the two products side by side, so shoppers can easily
compare the two. Many a time I have heard parents say, “Why don’t you get this
one” as the parent is holding a rather large MEGABLOCK box, and the child is
looking at the rather small Lego box with for the same price. At my local shops
the only time there is a rush on LEGO is when the sales are on, else things tend
to sit on the shelves. I have not gone to the dark side yet, but I find the lure
more and more tempting, I just wonder if resistance is futile.
Just an observation
Gary
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> I have not gone to the dark side yet, but I find the lure
> more and more tempting, I just wonder if resistance is futile.
Having flirted with the Dark Side on occasion, I would have to say that MB
is never as good as Lego, but I have found its Pro-Builder sets to be
acceptable and its Castle sets awful in terms of brick interconnecting. I
also used to find their grey and tan colours useful for some "bio-diversity"
so that historical buildings aren't just one flat colour, but now it seems
Lego is providing me with that same "bio-diversity".
I have flirted with Shifty Brick, and the quality there is definitely
shifty, and most sets are a bit of a random mix of OK parts and parts so bad
you have to throw them away. However, if you are after parts that just
aren't in the current Lego retail range, then you may find them in Shifty
sets, just understand that the colour of the parts on the box art may not be
the same as the colours of the bricks inside. However, I have found some
useful OK-quality parts like castle parts and flowers and trees (which
generally are more or less the colour you might expect) in Shifty sets. It
is best to treat Shifty sets as a lucky dip, spend a few dollars, and either
get some useful parts or get a story to moan about on LUGnet for years to
come :-)
Kerry
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"Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message
news:HyExHu.GGK@lugnet.com...
>
> We pay about EUR1.20 (US$1.44) per liter gasoline, of which EUR0.90 to
> 0.95 are taxes. With 4.55 liter being a gallon, and the Euro at about
> US$1.20 we pay roughly US$5 taxes per gallon (no, this is no mistake!).
Actually there is a mistake. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters, not 4.55 liters.
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An Imperial Gallon is 4.55L.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=1+imperial+gallon+in+liters&btnG=Google+Search
Though Christian probably should have converted to US gal in this particular
case.
Neb Okla wrote:
> FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate
>
> "Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message
> news:HyExHu.GGK@lugnet.com...
> >
> > We pay about EUR1.20 (US$1.44) per liter gasoline, of which EUR0.90 to
> > 0.95 are taxes. With 4.55 liter being a gallon, and the Euro at about
> > US$1.20 we pay roughly US$5 taxes per gallon (no, this is no mistake!).
>
> Actually there is a mistake. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters, not 4.55 liters.
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n_okla@hotmail.com (Neb Okla) wrote in <HyFsM8.vAx@lugnet.com>:
> FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate
>
> "Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message
> news:HyExHu.GGK@lugnet.com...
> >
> > We pay about EUR1.20 (US$1.44) per liter gasoline, of which EUR0.90 to
> > 0.95 are taxes. With 4.55 liter being a gallon, and the Euro at about
> > US$1.20 we pay roughly US$5 taxes per gallon (no, this is no mistake!).
>
> Actually there is a mistake. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters, not 4.55 liters.
Actually, both are correct. 1 US gallon is 3.785 litres, 1 UK gallon is
4.545 litres. One more reason to go metric.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Harro de Jong wrote:
> n_okla@hotmail.com (Neb Okla) wrote in <HyFsM8.vAx@lugnet.com>:
>
> > FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate
> >
> > "Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message
> > news:HyExHu.GGK@lugnet.com...
> > >
> > > We pay about EUR1.20 (US$1.44) per liter gasoline, of which EUR0.90 to
> > > 0.95 are taxes. With 4.55 liter being a gallon, and the Euro at about
> > > US$1.20 we pay roughly US$5 taxes per gallon (no, this is no mistake!).
> >
> > Actually there is a mistake. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters, not 4.55 liters.
>
> Actually, both are correct. 1 US gallon is 3.785 litres, 1 UK gallon is
> 4.545 litres. One more reason to go metric.
Now I know why 10 gallon hats are so small. ;)
Scott A (Who thought {everything} was bigger in the USA)
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