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Re: We need an update NOW (Was: Parts Update?)
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lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw
Date: 
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:35:49 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Larry Pieniazek writes:
It can't be "justified", but stamping one's foot isn't going to help,
Jeremy, and you know that.

Fine, okay, you can call it what you want.  The fact remains, something
needs to be done.  I'm making it known the only way I know how.  The delay
in the parts update system is becoming pretty unpopular, and it begs the
question: is this being done for the users, or for the system?

I think what we need is an unoffical update. Package them up as unofficial
and tell people to take their chances. But realise that there is probably at
least one part in that update that will break something. What part is it?
Dunno. That's what the review process determines.

As long as the preview is released with sufficient (read: any) warning of
such, I doubt people will complain.

A *significant* side benefit of this is that obviously broken pieces will
have a better chance of being found before being put through the voting process.

Rather than just dumping theme somewhere, though, they DO need to be
packaged up the same way the other releases are. Then people can install
them the same way, and when review happens, the replacements for the ones
that have issues that missed getting identified in this unreviewed update
will be in a subsequent update and replace them.

*sigh*  I disagree.

Firstly, you don't want any kind of official stamp on an unofficial
distribution.  This is so that the effort it takes for individual end-users
to install unofficial parts has a better chance of being remembered, and so
that there's no confusion about the difference between an offical and an
unofficial update.  If someone *really* wants to play with an unofficial
part, then you need to assume a minimum amount of competency for the
end-user.  This is equally true for parts/* and p/* .

Also, since time is a huge issue here, why go through the effort of
pretty-packaging them at all?

Lastly, and this is the biggie, if someone's looking for a part and it only
exists in the unofficial parts preview, then that someone is probably not
likely to want to dump the entire unofficial set into their parts directory.

The thing is, there's a bottleneck here because one or several people don't
have the time to push the update system changes through.  This is
understandable and perfectly fine, given the volunteer nature of LDraw.
Offload that time onto the end-users, then.

Cheers,
- jsproat



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  Re: We need an update NOW (Was: Parts Update?)
 
I mostly agree so I mostly snipped... (...) How does that help? That is, suppose it would take 40 man hours of work to resolve the bottleneck and get the new process on line and running. If that 40 hours avoids 400 or 4000 hours of user effort, (...) (23 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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  Re: We need an update NOW (Was: Parts Update?)
 
(...) It can't be "justified", but stamping one's foot isn't going to help, Jeremy, and you know that. I think what we need is an unoffical update. Package them up as unofficial and tell people to take their chances. But realise that there is (...) (23 years ago, 30-Apr-01, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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