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Re: Elian Gonzales
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Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:06:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > I do not assert that communist states do not routinely deny civil rights,
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> *Now* you say that but originally you said "Undoubtedly! But that's still an
> assumption based on preconceptions" and that is what is leading me to believe
> that you weren't accepting that in fact most people under communist regimes
> live in daily danger should they slip up and say what they actually think.
D'oh! Well, shoot. Good call. That was an unintentional inconsistency, and
I think I stumbled between Elian's issue and the world-at-large. My error.
> - "unaware" which I've just knocked out for you, you're aware now. It's also a
> form of delusional, you're deluded (by nonawareness) into thinking that it
> isn't a problem... so it's covered that way
I wouldn't have characterized delusion in that way, but I see your point.
"Delusion" to me implies a mental imbalance rather than a lack of knowledge,
but using your definition, I understand what you're getting at.
> - "uncaring" which is just another form of evil.
Is it? Perhaps there can be a distinction between culpable uncaring (?) and
non-culpable uncaring. Depending on the immediacy of one's own circumstances,
for instance, someone else's situation may be irrelevant. Admittedly, this
isn't necessarily the case re: Elian, but in the wider sense I think it holds
true.
> > That's a pretty lonely code, I think.
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> Been discussed before, don't want to discuss it again.
Fair enough. I might have sat out of some of those debates, so I missed
your points.
> > Communism=evil? Far *too* simple to have relevance in anything other than a
> > Dr. Strangelove-type world.
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> Now who's grandstanding <grin>.
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> Indeed, Communism=evil. Deriding it as simple may be fun for the viewing
> audience but does not detract from the truth of the proposition. Again, old
> ground, but my world view is rather crisp, any morality that purports to take
> away rights, for whatever reason, is flawed.
Maybe, though I'd give a lot of weight to the circumstances of such denial
of rights. In addition--and I know we've discussed this ad nauseum before, so
I'll only mention it briefly--not everyone's views of "rights" is the same.
> Take it or leave it. Remember, I don't really CARE what anyone else thinks.
You don't care!? "Uncaring" is another form of evil! I knew it! 8^)
> I don't get validation from other people saying they approve.
Ho-hum. I guess we've squeezed the life out of this debate. Next topic.
Dave!
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