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Re: Elian Gonzales
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Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:35:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> While true, that's not circular. For example, if you believe in strict
> creationism, your view on particular steps of the evolutionary process being
> true or not has no bearing, inasmuch as you've not accepted a fundamental
> premise (that there is a process and that it has rules about how it works
> which we can reason about, as opposed to those rules being overridden by the
> whim of a creator) and therefore have no standing to comment on those steps.
> You certainly can believe in creationism if you like, but to do so is
> delusional.
Well, that's a colorful, if tangential, example, and I expect it might seed
debates of its own.
> Similarly, if you deny facts about communist states, you're either an
> apologist or delusional. (1) It is not my *opinion* that hard line communist
> states routinely deny civil rights, it's a *fact*.
I do not assert that communist states do not routinely deny civil rights,
nor do I accept the basis of such an either/or determination. As you mention
below, for example, one might be unaware of such truths (not that you or I am,
but for the sake of rhetoric), or might not care. Or one might judge that such
truths are not relevant to the case at hand. You seem to feel that it is
central. I do not.
The US Gov't seizure of Elian from his father is at least as wrong as it
would be for Cuba to do so, especially since each government would no doubt do
so for Elian's "own good."
> If you don't see systematically denying civil rights as evil,
> then your moral code is flawed and I have no interest in your assertions.
That's a dangerously seductive way to avoid having to examine others' views.
I'm intrigued that you would presume to judge my moral code, especially
through the refractive lens of your own. Does your moral code demand that any
differing or disagreeing code is flawed? Does your code allow no individual
variance? That's a pretty lonely code, I think.
> Pretty simple really.
Communism=evil? Far *too* simple to have relevance in anything other than a
Dr. Strangelove-type world.
Dave!
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| (...) *Now* you say that but originally you said "Undoubtedly! But that's still an assumption based on preconceptions" and that is what is leading me to believe that you weren't accepting that in fact most people under communist regimes live in (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) to (...) While true, that's not circular. For example, if you believe in strict creationism, your view on particular steps of the evolutionary process being true or not has no bearing, inasmuch as you've not accepted a fundamental premise (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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