Subject:
|
Re: Elian Gonzales
|
Newsgroups:
|
lugnet.off-topic.debate
|
Date:
|
Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:15:13 GMT
|
Viewed:
|
832 times
|
| |
![Post a public reply to this message](/news/icon-reply.gif) | |
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > > Okay, okay. No one here denies that Cuba has a lot to answer for, civil-
> > > rights-wise. Some people feel that that's the paramount issue here, while
> > > others feel that the question is one of rightful parental custody.
> >
> > It's not entirely a custody matter. In my view Elian applied for asylum
> > merely by appearing here.
>
> Hmm... That's interesting, and I hadn't previously considered it that way.
> If he'd fallen out of an overflying plane, would he (assuming his survival)
> likewise have applied automatically for asylum?
Sorry, I was insufficiently precise. Merely by *deliberately* appearing here.
If I fall out of a plane flying over Rwanda by accident it probably isn't my
intent to apply for asylum there.
Now, normally I try to avoid assigning intent but I'd say that the intent of
Elian's mother was pretty clear, she had custody, she and he were fleeing
oppression. I doubt that she and the others 'accidentally' got on those rafts,
although that's the line I'd advocate she take were she picked up by the Cuban
Navy :-)
++Lar
|
|
Message is in Reply To:
![](/news/x.gif) | | Re: Elian Gonzales
|
| (...) Hmm... That's interesting, and I hadn't previously considered it that way. If he'd fallen out of an overflying plane, would he (assuming his survival) likewise have applied automatically for asylum? If, while I'm vacationing in upstate New (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
44 Messages in This Thread: ![Elian Gonzales -Scott P. Costello (25-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Kevin Wilson (25-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Nico Hoogerbrug (25-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Christopher Tracey (25-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (25-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (26-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (26-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -John Neal (26-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (26-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![You are here](/news/here.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Christopher L. Weeks (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (26-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Peter Callaway (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Bruce Schlickbernd (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Jeff Stembel (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Christopher L. Weeks (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/268.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Scott P. Costello (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Christopher L. Weeks (28-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Larry Pieniazek (29-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/28.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Kya Morden (27-Apr-00 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -Dave Schuler (15-Jun-08 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -"Dave Schuler" <orrex11@gmail.com> (23-Mar-23 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -"David Koudys" <davidkoudys@gmail.com> (5-Apr-23 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/68.gif) ![Re: Elian Gonzales -"David Koudys" <davidkoudys@gmail.com> (5-Apr-23 to lugnet.off-topic.debate)](/news/x.gif)
- Entire Thread on One Page:
- Nested:
All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:
All | Brief | Compact
|
|
|
|