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Re: Don Quixote puts away his lance (was Re: McDonalds set
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Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:59:23 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> >
> > 1. In Europe, a woman was near death from a very unusual kind of cancer. [2]
> > The doctors thought that one drug -- a form of radium discovered by a
> > druggist in the same town -- might save her life. The druggist paid $400
> > for the radium and charged $4,000 for a small dose of the drug. Heinz,
> > the sick woman's husband, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money
> > and tried every legal means, but he could only raise $2000, half of the
> > drug's selling price. Heinz pleaded with the druggist, explaining to him
> > that his wife was dying. He presented several options to the druggist:
> > sell the drug to Heinz at a cheaper price, let Heinz pay for the drug in
> > installments or let Heinz pay for it at a later date. But the druggist
> > said, "No, I discovered the drug and I*m going to make money from it."
> > Heinz is now considering breaking into the drug store and stealing for
> > his wife.
> >
> > 2. Of course, "dying of cancer" is not the same as "ignorant people being
> > ripped of on eBay". But it's the same kind of problem.
>
> Weeeelllll... I know I'm walking into the same old debate as before!
>
> But it seems SO clear cut to me. In my opinion Heinz doesn't have the
> right to the drug. If this drug really truly is somehting Heinz is
> incapable of inventing for himself, it's not just or right to defraud
> the druggist from his due. The druggist presumably went to school for
> years to learn how to make it. This may be the only chance he has to
> recoup that investment.
This is why Libertarianism breaks down because mean people suck. Not all people
are good. If *everyone* had a good heart, people would be able to respect
property rights AND each other's needs as well. But as it is, a heartless
Bunghole is considered perfectly within his rights to refrain from helping this
family out, and is morally blameless. I say "poo" to a system as such. No man is
an island, and, like it or not, <dons Larflame retardant suit> we *are* our
brother's keeper.
> Now, were I the druggist I'd happily take a time payment scheme if Heinz
> was credit worthy. But the druggist may not care about his reputation
> within the town and that's his right. Heck, even if Heinz shows up with
> the entire 4K in cash the druggist is within his rights to refuse to
> sell.
See above. I'm sure I could get many to agree that the druggist's actions are
subhuman. There is something sick and wrong with a system that values property
more than life. What Libertarianism needs is a moral code. As I have said
before, it needs Christianity. [1]
-John
[1] blatant troll to Lar, but seriously submitted as well.
> Doing business (choosing to associate) is itself a good and there is no
> right to free goods, no right to demand to associate with someone who
> chooses not to associate with you.
>
> If THAT doesn't generate some backflame then we truly HAVE beat this
> topic to death.
>
> One can only hope.
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar
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>
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