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Re: Lego Holocaust art (Was: can someone help me identify these parts?)
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Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:27:06 GMT
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On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:03:27 GMT, Jeff Stembel uttered the following
profundities...
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Dee writes:
The 20th century has seen humanity take a great leap backwards
in terms of our "humanity." Chemical warfare, bombing of
civilian targets, etc.

<rant>
Civilians have *always* been killed in war.  Just because we have more powerful
weapons doesn't mean we are "less humane".  Ever heard of some small events
from before the twentieth century including: The Inquisition, the Crusades, and
the Industrial Revolution?  That entire period in history could be termed
"Inhumane".  You use chemical weapons as an example of us being "less humane".
Well, how humane is it to lob corpses into a walled city to spread disease?
Until recently, governments wouldn't really consider going into another country
to defend people would couldn't defend themselves.  IMO, trying to defend the
Albanians was the right thing to do.  We just went about it in the wrong way
(by trying to bomb them into submission).  Personally, I think this is a more
humane era(1) than any other.
</rant>

Never said they weren't. Never mentioned, though did not ignore events in
the past. Didn't know about corpse-lobbing, though. Did know about the use
of lime, though, to blind opposing forces. So, I would say it is less humane
to use chemical weapons because we haven't advanced sufficiently to not
use them. (Cheap, get-out clause. When stuck for an answer, throw ethics
into the ring, and hope some rational, logical response doesn't bounce
back!).

Ahh, the Crusades. "Christian" soldiers, merrily slaughtering
virtually the whole European Jewish population on their way to
Jerusalem. Upon arrival, diligently trying to slaughter the whole Jewish
and Arab population of the Middle East. Before, and since, tolerance
between the two ignored (at least until 1947....).

Defending the Albanians was the right thing to do. However, we (the west)
ignored the Bosnians and Croatians, and....the Serbs. *All* sides in the Balkan
conflict are as guilty as the other, with regards to genocide and other war
crimes. The only difference is that the Serbs did it on a greater scale, and not
necessarily first.

But we also left alone The Hutus (or was it Tutsi?) in Rwanda & Burundi, the
Karen in Burma, the Timorese in Indonesia, ethnic Armenians in Turkey, to a
limited extent the Kurds....and these are just a small selection of the 90's.
Whew!  Sorry about that.  :)  Anyways, We still have a long way to go before
I'll be happy with the Human race.

Jeff


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  Re: Lego Holocaust art (Was: can someone help me identify these parts?)
 
(...) By not giving examples of how previous centuries where "more humane", you are ignoring, to a certain extent, past events. Also, I may've exagerated slightly on the corpse lobbing thing. I'm not sure if spreading disease was a purpose or a (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Lego Holocaust art (Was: can someone help me identify these parts?)
 
(...) the (...) 90's. "Armenian's in Turkey" ?... In 90's?...I really couldn't understand what are you talking about. Selçuk (25 years ago, 1-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Lego Holocaust art (Was: can someone help me identify these parts?)
 
(...) <rant> Civilians have *always* been killed in war. Just because we have more powerful weapons doesn't mean we are "less humane". Ever heard of some small events from before the twentieth century including: The Inquisition, the Crusades, and (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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