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(...) This is part of the constant attempt by a certain segment of society to institutionalize its religion (i.e. inflict it upon everyone as the state-sanctioned theology). The prevalent religion at my son's school is Buddhism - the same law that (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you are right there Richie, US and Australia and GB are like the three stooges... BTW, according to dubya, the "coalition" was counting about 45 countries, most of them being anonymous. Now, why would any country want to remain anonymous (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That sounds a lot like the premise of the recent movie The Core, but I saw a geophysicist on TV talking about it, and how he liked the fact that recent movies have been inspiring kids to get into science, but he said that in this case he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) From the article, I'm not 100% sure, but I interpret the issue to have occurred on the grounds of two public schools. Am I correct? If so, then here's my answer: It's not liberalism at all; it is an objective and correct reading of the First (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think so. Of course the real solution is to eliminate public schools. Private schools may do whatever they please in this aspect. (...) It depends. If it was in a position that didn't suggest the students should follow it, it would (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I saw a program the other day which said that the planet Mars lost most of it's atmosphere when it lost it's magnetic field. It said that the field deflected harmful solar winds preventing them scouring away the atmosphere, but it lost it's field (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space)
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(URL) which granite tablets inscribed with the 10 commandments were removed from school property. Is this separation or liberalism run amok? I dunno. If, say, I was a teacher at this school, and I had a card with the 10 commandments on my desk, is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Go Poland!(1) They sent special ops dudes at the very least (from all reports, some very effective special ops, at that... there's a story behind how those forces came into being). 1 - I'm 1/2 Polish, my dad came to the US in 1949 (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just the U.S. and England!?!? Australia was on the ground there too! And fully (at a national government level, anyway) supportive. And yet you say "just the U.S. and England"! What next? The Three Stooges being just Larry and Curly? The Three (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bill Moyers' "Presidential" Address (URL) "the unholy alliance between government and wealth" and the compassionate conservative spin that tries to make "the rape of America sound like a consensual date," Moyers charged that "rightwing wrecking (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) All politicians are whores to a certain extent, Republicans to corporations, especially tobacco and guns; Democrats to lawyers, Hollywood, and the many environmental activist groups. (...) Or perhaps you are forgetting the corporate (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Why America is waking up to the truth about WMD (URL) Senior CIA officials have distanced themselves from Rumsfeld's claims that WMD posed an imminent threat. They say these claims are based on information passed directly to Rumsfeld's office by (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First, that there is a coalition of any consequences is laughable. Really it's just the U.S. and England. For my part, I think Blair is being dictated to by the power brokers in his country -- things *might* have been far different if Gore had (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Either 9/11 was intentionally allowed to happen (doubtful) or the FBI once again dropped the ball on an important investigation. If a person or organization proves their gross incompetence (yet again) leading to massive loss of life, my first (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Psh, beginners. I'm 36, and I don't think there is a Stangl (with that exact spelling) in the world that I am NOT related to. Stangls are somewhat rare (and I'm sure some people in here think that's a GOOD thing ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Perhaps my good friends here on OTD, who are against the war can help enlighten my understanding, because I get a bit confused sometimes. From several of your posts I have pieced together what I think you have been trying to tell me. Bush was able (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ Use (URL) and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence are disputing claims that the mysterious trailers found in Iraq were for making deadly germs. In interviews over the last week, (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gas masks is standard field equipment for soldiers. The presence of gas masks on soldiers, does not necessarily mean that they handle chemical or biological weapons. Fredrik (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We sold them the goods. The goods have a shelf life. What weapons remained and were discovered were certainly no threat to the U.S. (...) Why should I have to repeat discussions that took place here a mere two months back? Do your own (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would never justify SH's actions on anything. He is a tyrant and a despot. But I also, at htis particular time, cannot justify, nor can *anyone else* for that matter, the reason for the US incursion into Iraq. You can't justify it. Not by a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the answer is painfully obvious. No country, esp. now that the preemptive nuclear bar has been raised -- but not even then when the means to enforce sovereignty might be at stake, can afford to allow other countries to believe they are (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, really? Then why was the UN sending weapons inspectors into Iraq in the first place? Not much of a memory, Mr Marchetti. They went to verify that weapons were destroyed, not to verify whether they existed or not. (...) Who is "we"? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote: Here is the key difference, Blix was not sent in to find WMD's, he was sent in (...) And what the heck was the deal with all of the gas masks everywhere??? The argument that the WMD never existed (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here is the key difference, Blix was not sent in to find WMD's, he was sent in to verify Iraq's declaration of the status of their WMD program. We mistakenly called his team "inspectors" when they should have been called "verifiers". In spite (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Because of the views of some here, I offer a more Republican take on the current scandal... Warner Seeks Release of Pentagon Iraq Weapons Report (Update1) (URL) June 6 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Senator John Warner, chairman of the Armed Services (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not much of a memory, have you Mr. Neal? Many here doubted the WMD evidence from the first. We all laughed at Colon Powell's poor performance before the U.N. (there are even sources that claim he was angry at the doctored evidence he was (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He did have them in the eighties. We did not know if he had them now. Those things, once used, don't grow in trees... (...) Perhaps the weapons inspectors were too keen on following misleading intelligence work provided by the allies, rather (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that's one way of looking at it. THen there's that truth, which is entirely a different matter-- "We have to go to war *now* because SH is a clear and imminent threat to the USofA." And, if I do recall, that the idea that Saddam had WMD (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course, I think my dad might have you beat (since he hasn't met the Filz I met). Of course there may also be a connection, so it may be hard to know if I should really stop counting... Frank (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look, before the war there wasn't ANYBODY who doubted that SH had WMD. It was a given; period. There is documented proof that he used them on the Kurds and killed them by the 100,000s for crying out loud! So all of this "where are the WMD" is (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you know that "moron" is all that Canadians know.... 'Cause A****** isn't a nice thing to say. Dave K (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. JOHN (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) haven't found Saddam Hussein, and I don't know anyone who's running around saying he didn't exist," Rumsfeld told reporters Thursday, following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill. " That's so true, Rummy! Since there *was* a Saddam, there (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) President George W Bush on Thursday said it would take time to find Iraq's chemical and biological weapons, but he promised to "reveal the truth" about them. " Holy bold faced idiocy, Batman! "To the UN" says Mr. Blix before Feb, "Searching (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh but there's so much 'wiggle-room'. "Hey, we found these mobile lab trucks that were used to make WoMD--there's your proof! I didn't lie!" says Dubya. And of course, there's probably in the very near future "Oh look here under this rock that (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction: Is Lying About The Reason For War An Impeachable Offense? (URL) To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I can't stop setting a new record every day until I actually find someone named Schlickbernd not related to me (and yes, the two black women named Schlickbernd are related). :-P -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, you can't beat the record until you actually find someone not related to you! :-) :-) :-) Frank (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | We needn't have worried! (Re: Should we be concerned?)
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(...) All of my moral panic appears to have been for naught, since the media conglomerates have obviously been looking out for the public interest all along: (URL) This seems oddly reminiscent of the closed-door energy policy meetings held by the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I rather thought she was spoofing the one with the other. If she was being serious, then she was just as moronic as Bush. Well, maybe not quite as moronic since Bush could put the drug terrorists out of business with a stroke of the pen (the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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