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(...) No offense taken. Frankly, unsatisfactory opinions from people that I don't know usually don't bother me. I'm not sure what you mean by a "customer-facing situation" but, if you are referring to customer service problems, i.e. a situation (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) <fairly major snippage> (...) That door swings both ways, though. While unhappy customers can be/often are hard to deal with/unwilling to admit fault, the other end occurs often as well. A company with a poorly designed/managed customer (...) (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK . . . I can understand this point. I worked at a bookstore, and I had customers all the time that would come in and tell me that they wanted the big green book that was on *that* table, three months ago. They had no idea of the title, or (...) (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Ah, but my Calc teacher says that a good teacher should be able to teach calculus to a first grader :) (at least geometrically speaking) --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) pay more to get (...) (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Oh, don't get me wrong, I know. It happens. I've been on that side of the fence a few times myself. Jasper (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem is that a) the minority completely ruins your life as a support person and b) in the end, it's cheaper in terms of time and material to just treat _everyone_ as a total idiot because it costs only a little extra, compared to when (...) (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You ever thought about sneaking in, and lowering the drag sensitivity for double-clicks? Steve (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote: [someone else wrote:] (...) Or, install a more user-friendly system like Linux+KDE? :) [Followup To .off-topic.geek] (25 years ago, 16-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Been there, done that. Duh. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) That would be "admin-friendly", and if I had the time to get DOSEMU working, it'd be there, like, now. Minus KDE of course. What the hell are you thinking - this is a 486DX2-66/8M/420M. ;) Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ugh. Add in some more RAM though, and that'll manage KDE just fine. I suggest KDE because of the single-click-operation paradigm -- seems like that'd solve most of the problem. (25 years ago, 17-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Heh. Where am I gonna get 72-pin FPRAM modules these days? I mean, okay, I have 32M lying around, but that's gonna have to go into the P166 I also have lying around. (...) Ah, is that it.. I must admit I've never delved very deeply into KDE. (...) (25 years ago, 18-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Look, you're my friend and everything but do you HAVE to use that word on this site? Just because my kids already know that word, know what it means and all, and have heard it used before doesn't mean that I want them reading it HERE. (1) You (...) (25 years ago, 19-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hey, this reminded me of something I did last week. Short background: Bought a new 40 gig drive for my Linux box. Couldn't make it be seen properly even after a BIOS update and even after numerous other things (edited lilo.conf with the CHS (...) (25 years ago, 19-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) *drool* (...) And again... (...) I've heard about that. I haven't heard of anyone who actually liked it. (...) I suppose that says something about IDE, large drives, and servers. (...) Probably not. (...) Stop it, you're making me jealous.. (...) (25 years ago, 19-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I know it. I just need a little reminding of where I am sometimes. Post is cancelled, BTW. (...) Isn't that the same thing? (F-up that to debate) (...) Isn't that "Le roi est mort, vive le Roi!"? (...) Wonder when ebay is going to sue this (...) (25 years ago, 19-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Me either. My two co-admins and I just sat there and barely contained our urge to vomit while we went through the installer. If I hadn't feared the 40 gig drive would give <6.1 fits I would have scrounged around for my 5.2 or 6.0 cds... (...) (...) (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Yeah, the new installer is broken -- they've TOTALLY screwed up the net-install. *sigh*. And with 6.0, they'd FINALLY gotten all the bugs out. But there is one small consolation -- you can still do the install in text mode by selecting that at (...) (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) No way. I TOTALLY missed that. Or ignored it, or something. Oh well, I got a machine at home I'm not using for anything (233/64mb - dead 5 gig drive but I've got a 6 gig spare) - I'll set it up and play with some stuff here at home. (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) The text mode install isn't actually the old one; it just looks exactly like it. But it's still been rewritten from scratch in python, and just like the gui version is full of bugs. Maybe next version will be better. (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ught. Nevermind. Or at least I'll just install it and ghost it like I do the other OSes on that test machine. Not much call for testing the stuff I've been doing for local companies under Linux anyway... (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) 6.0 is 2.2.7 or something, isn't it? Shouldn't that deal with 40G? (...) Light load helps a lot. Though if you were planning on running a full feed for yourself, light load isn't exactly the word... (...) Not like win2k should be more (...) (25 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) You got me. I'm still very much a casual Linux user. Maybe now that I'm almost finished with the MCSE I'll have time to actually sit down and do some reading instead of just hammering away and reading an occasional man page. (...) Well, there (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Just realized that might sound bad. Let me elaborate, and yeah, this may show how dumb I've been to stick around, or it may show, for those who know me, that I'm paranoid about going without insurance, and my wife only recently got her (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, yeah. Though it might have been $50/test, I'm not actually sure. (...) MCSE always was 7 tests, since realistically you want +I added as well ;) (...) Not what I've heard, but employers and neighbourhoods vary. (...) Tempus fugit, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I wish. I may end up paying for some of these myself - $50 would be a lot nicer than $100. (...) Actually, MCSE+I is 9 exams. So I'll have 3 more to go. :( Only one after that to MCDBA, tho. (...) Really? Everyone I've spoken to, either on the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Really? My memory must be failing. Old age or something. (...) Uhm, exactly. I thought you were saying otherwise, so that was a bit of a misunderstanding. Actually, a) happens 100% as far as I can see, but b) is rarer. (...) Heh. My "simple (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, my consulting partner and I have decided to split up certs anyway, so I think I'll be getting the MCDBA first. 2 Exams to go for that - Admin and Design/Implementation. (...) Yeah, _everyone_ in my classes earlier this year was amazed (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) This is the part where I scream in horror and recoil violently. Adminning MS is bad enough, but MS databases... Are you _sure_ you want to go that way? (...) They probably haven't thought of it - I know of other university admins who get those (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I want to learn - period. We have more SQL Server implementations on campus than anything else, especially Oracle. So yes, given my present circumstances, I am sure I want to go this way. I could decide to start working towards some sort of (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) That's one line of reasoning. Given the tales of woe I've been hearing from sysadmins all over the world, though, anyone with half a clue tries to move to unix adminning as soon as humanly possible. You've certainly got the necessary clues, so (...) (25 years ago, 25-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Maybe. I doubt I'll be doing Unix stuff at my current employer, though. Our main Unix systems seem to be held together with chewing gum, lots of hope, and a ton of money. I'm trying to learn what I can on my own, but there's only so much time (...) (25 years ago, 27-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) How much of that money is for the "sysadmin's beer fund"? (...) Yeah, but single platform locations don't exist. Everyone wants on the 'net. Here's how a countryman of mine put it: (URL) you do, never touch Exchange. Or Lotus Bloats. Or any (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Let's be sure we're on the same page. If you're saying groupware itself is not a good thing, vehemently disagree. I'll be happy to briefly explain how indispensable it is if that is what you were saying. However, if you're saying that Exchange (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Groupware is a nice idea. (...) It's just that I've never seen or heard of any implementation yet which, _especially_ in the area of email delivery (which is ridiuclously high-volume compared to almost all other groupware traffic), doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) OK, whew. Got enough to debate you as it is... (...) Or just use news. Really! I've seen it done. (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) By the way.. in one or two of your posts lately I thought I detected a certain.. how shall I put that.. annoyance at me personally as opposed with my arguments. Any comments? (...) For brainstorming sessions of more than, say, 3-4 people, it's (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Annoyance? naaa.... <ponder> Urp, no more than usual/no more than I am at anyone else? You're misguided, confused, idealistic and generally wrong when it comes to freedom, economics and markets, but I like you anyway in spite of all that. I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Wouldn't surprise me. (...) Would surprise me. Samba blows. Sorry, but it does. Touching it with 95/98, which, unfortunately, is what a ton of places use, is a slow painful joke. Touching it with NT is slightly better, but still slow and (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) The question is, how does it's blowiness relate to the negative-mass white hole that is NT SMB serving? Jasper (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ah, that's OK then. (...) Awwwww... shucks. (...) I think it would probably be more suited in off-topic.people. But then, we can't really put it there. (...) You could call me ... "democrat" (Or, for that matter, "republican" or (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, not sure. But in *my* admittedly limited Linux/Samba experience trying to introduce Samba as an alternative to NT for file serving is a joke. File copies went from seconds to minutes on 95/98, and at increased dramatically even when (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) No comment. (...) True, true. Not quite what I meant, thinking of single platform in-house, but I get what you're saying. (...) I've avoided Exchange because we don't use it anywhere I know of on campus and because I heard so many bad things (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Very wise. Are the elevators in your buildinmg controlled by the network? How about the halon systems? "After a few hours the thumping dies down. I guess those [backup tape - ed] safes really _are_ airtight." (...) Well, yes, I knew that's (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Yep. Kinda funny, though. I talked to my local MCSE buddy, the one who got most of his experience in his current job doing OJT, and he had lots of really good things to say about Exchange. 'Course, his implementations are all small-scale, so (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) That helps. In small-scale, single-in-house-platform, beefy-server, in-house-24/7-admin-...luescreens environments, it's not too bad. Talk to a few of the people in ASR who deal on a daily basis with Ericsson's Sexchange servers, though. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) ISP adminning? What do you mean? I don't work for an ISP. I don't know that you'd call the adminning I do corporate right now, though... (...) Contrary to popular opinion, I'm really a quiet guy. I read a lot of groups I never post in. But no, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, not yet. I don't know that much about your plans for the future ;) (...) See email. One I'll mention right now is comp.risks. (...) Ouch. I mean, yes, nice machine, but $5.6k? In US prices, even. That would be around $7k if I wanted to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ok. So what do you mean by "completely different"? I'm curious as to what you see as the differences betweeen "ISP" adminning and "corporate" adminning. I've actually done ISP "helpdesk" stuff before (in fact my last job was managing an office (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Eep, yes. This is exactly what got me into Linux in the first place. My friend was trying to start an ISP running NT. They were having trouble, so since I'd done some work getting PPP to work on the ancient terminal server at the small college (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, there are generally _much_ more users per server, per admin, and per company. And they're all clients which have to be treated with respect. And there'more bandwidth involved. In general, though, the main difference is that as an ISP you (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Ah, ok. Well, aside from the fact that I treat all my clients/customers with respect, I agree. But I tried especially hard when I was in charge of the network support center for the students on campus and all our dial-up stuff. But even then, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't know why but this reminds me of a guy I know via IRC who started up his own ISP literally in his own home using a Linux box and a handful of lines, providing service mainly to local teachers, with the initial goal being to simply pay (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Very similar to my situation, actually. My friend wanted to start an ISP so he could have net access after college and not have to pay for it. There was a time a few years ago when it was possible. 56K modems really raise the bar, though; it (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Oh, that usually is the case - but universities and corporate environments do tend to be more forgiving of late-night downtime than ISP, as far as I can tell. (...) You and everybody else in the business, apparently. (...) barney:~$ telnet (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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