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| | | (...) Ryan and I had decided on M####-**, where #### stood for the set number and ** stood for the last two digits of the year it was released (i.e. M7140-99 for the X-Wing). The date would be replaced by a letter to denote that it is a submodel. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | (...) model repository, I (...) made any TLG models (...) email them to me (...) set number as the (...) set number and ** (...) M7140-99 for (...) that it is a (...) Yes, we had, and to explain why; some people might have unofficial parts in their (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | (...) Ahh, nope, I'm not. Well, not exactly. There are two different ways to look at "uninlining": one view is that it's simply removing the extra code, and restoring the original reference statement. This approach works, as long as you have the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | (...) I would greatly prefer ZIP and/or MPD (I just thought of another idea for LDLite (sorry gyug): ZIP support). I think inlining makes it too difficult to follow the building process. About following the building process, will it be required that (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I am going to strongly go with the MPD download myself. (...) Hmmm.... that is a good thought.... I would go for that, since they could theoretically take the place of instructions. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | (...) and (...) send them if (...) we can to get (...) Tim, I'm the person who was supposed to be helping with the reviewing and editting so that 'we' also refers to me. Who else was willing to help? I'll still review and edit, but could someone (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | (...) I suggest that this or other simmilar lines about the model go on the *first* line of the file, as that is the normal place for the title of a DAT file. That way, if LDAO or some other utility is ever improved to show the title of the model, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | OK since the header seems to be a problem I will use set 7130 as an example and I will explain each part of the header in depth. 0 Name: M7130-99.dat 0 Snowspeeder 0 Author: Ryan Dennett 0 Official Model Repository OK line one: M stands for model, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | (...) Like Tim, I prefer S because a model could be part of a set. (...) I strongly advise that we switch lines one and two so that this shows up on the first line as the title of the dat file. We should also include the official name of the theme. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) No. If these models are MPD format, the first line of an mpd is going to be 0 Name: 7140-99.dat to denote the dat filename. A program can easily pick it up once they give model titles to look at the second line. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | (...) No. 'Name:' and 'FILE' are different. As soon as an MPD is split, all the FILE lines disappear, so you must leave in a 'Name:' Ex: 0 Title for the MPD 0 Name: filename.mpd 0 Author: Author 0 Comments 0 0 FILE file1.dat <---during MPD parsing, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | (...) I would agree with all except this. My reason is because 'set' can be used to refer to the entire package, where 'model' would refer to individual items within a set. ie. Terminal, Airplane, Helicopter, and Service Vehicle for an airport set. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | (...) as (...) depth. (...) as (...) can be used (...) individual (...) Service (...) and the (...) models up in (...) Lego set, a (...) OK I can live with that. (...) c...etc. let the (...) appearing in the (...) Do you have to have everything that (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | (...) Thought - with this system, how are you going to distinguish between a model (component in a set) and a component of a model (commmonly known as submodel)? There should then be two letters after the set number, or a letter and a number (ie. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | | (...) between a (...) (commmonly known as (...) number, or a (...) the model and (...) be omitted. (...) cause some (...) Exactly! :) OK, I guess we've reached the decision that the first letter is to be S instead of M. What I had origonally done (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Yes. Ok, now for absolute clarity. The set is called SXXXX-YY.mpd (complete package) A model within the set is called SXXXXa.dat A submodel of a model is called SXXXXa1.dat But a submodel of a one model set would be called ?? would it be (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | (...) or would it (...) I just do it as SXXXXa.dat That seems slear enough to me. Also one other thing is that someone say does an airport, SXXXX-YY is going to have just submodels, no parts, and then the submodels would be MPDed. Example SXXXX-YY (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) What about things like this?-- (2 URLs) one was released in '81 and looks like it has 3 submodels. Second one was released in '98 and looks like it has 1 submodel. Or what about this?-- (2 URLs) like the first one has instructions for at least (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) What about the following, considering a set with instructions for one or more alternate models as well: sXXXX-YY.dat display file, XXXX is the set number, YY is the year, shows all models and alternate models, possibly with 0 CLEAR inbetween. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | | (...) for one or (...) models (...) (submodel) (...) (submodel) (...) component (...) official (...) the box) (...) making me (...) ZIP, you (...) Then you (...) components. (...) components (...) viewable as (...) opening (...) support (...) My (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Bram, I think that's definitely on the right track! (At least with the double- and triple-letter combinations.) A great example of double-lettering is the 7171 Mos Espa Podrace™ set -- each of the three submodels of 7171 has itself three (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | | We MUST keep it in 8+3 format because SOME PEOPLE still do use LEdit, and if you don't have the files in 8+3 format you can't use the files. I think that the way something like the Mos Espa set should be done is like this(I don't have the set so (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Why can't someone temporarily renamed a file to an 8.3 name while working on it in LEdit, but keep the names in a non-DOS format for storage and publishing? Or what if it were possible to use subdirectories? Then it could be 8.3 and not 8.3, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | (...) Not a bad idea, but tedious. (...) These two questions bring up a bigger question. What is this rumored LDraw II project and when will it be done?? I have asked this one many times and have gotten no answer. But some refer to it like the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) First, tacking on submodels in addition to the year: S8857-80.dat 8857 Motorcycles S8857-80-a.dat First model S8857-80-b.dat Second model S8857-80-c.dat Third model S8857-93.dat 8857 Street Chopper S8857-93-a.dat First model S8857-93-b.dat (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | (...) This makes sense. Now, are we going to abandon the 8.3 or use subdirectories? Both?? If so, lets nail this puppy once and for all so he can't squirm and find an exception to the rule. The mere volume of email I've gone through today makes my (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, it was just an example to make a counterpoint against the other proposal. It it's the best possible namespace. (...) That's the whole point -- only backwards. (Go back and re-read the past few messages up this part of the tree... With (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | | (...) etc. I really like the idea of using subdirectories. It will keep the \models directory uncluttered and be easy to understand. Now you still have to deal subassemblies in the directory system. Would you name them: m1-a.dat 1st component of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Me too -- in a big way -- it's so clean. If the two most vital applications (LEdit and LDLITE) do support subdirectories, then IMHO the win is so big that it's hard not to justify using subdirectories, even if it breaks a few things for a (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd (...) The 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' is necessary. I think it's safe to say that if you built the model in LEdit using subdirs, and all the components showed up correctly in LEdit, all other programs will also handle the sub-dirs correctly. --Bram (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) OK, well, having to explicitly use 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' isn't really that much of a handicap in the grand scheme of things. It would've just been a bonus/freebie not to have to use it; but it's not a real problem, right? (...) Yeh, I agree -- (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm fairly certain that LDraw and LEdit weren't written with subdirs in mind... LEdit doesn't even check if a filename is valid before saving. (I once accidentally put a space in a filename in LEdit on my Win3.1 machine, and now I can't seem (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | | | (...) subdirs in (...) saving. (...) Win3.1 (...) So can't you just open the .dat file in notepad and delete that line?? Ryan (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) It's not his .dat file that contains the space character -- it's an actual file on the disk. Bram was saying that he was using LEdit interactively and saved a file, giving the name explicitly but accidentally embedding a space character in the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | (...) Thanks! (...) Actually, the only set I can think of in which it would is 7171. Does any other set have that large a hierarchy of submodels? (...) I don't think a four digit year is really necessary until LEGO is more than 100 years old. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) If the subdirectory system can be worked out accurately and duplicated on users' machines, then I am for it instead. It keeps the 8.3 system and allows more freedom and can cover the rare oddities. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) [...] I guess, since the - does nothing to the original designation and if there is only one model in the instructions the - denotes that. (...) I disagree. We should not offer the 'official' alternate models on the back of the box for (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) Actually, LDraw and LEdit _do_ support directories. You just have to specify the directory in the DAT file. How do you think the s\ directory under parts\ works? Take a look at the last few lines of parts\3634.dat for example. (...) There is (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) Good idea then. But we need to make sure users set up their directories on their machines correctly. If not, those questions will fill up the ldraw.org help desk... (...) Talk yes.. and I can't wait to see it implimented. But talk is still (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) Unzipping or splitting an MPD should create the directories correctly if they don't already exist (I hope). We should check if splitting an MPD with the current software does that. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) I did some testing. LDLite functions fine with subdirs in MPD filenames (ex: 0 FILE foo\bar\test.dat works fine, as long as any references to that file are 1 ... foo\bar\test.dat LDraw works fine with subdirs, as we already knew. The problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Awesome. That's so cool! One question, though: Does it require backslashes or does it allow forward slashes as well? (...) It looks like I have the same bug in mpdgarp*. Fortunately, some OS's allow the -p option on calls to the mkdir program: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) Just tested: LEdit, LDraw, LDLite, and Jacob's MPD-Splitter all work with forward slashes as well! (Again, for Jacob's splitter, the dir must already exist.) --Bram (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Excellent, that's great news! One thing that MS-DOS didn't totally screw up back in the early days -- even though it copied CP/M's blunder of using \ instead of / -- was the low-level functions for accessing files. Surprisingly, many DOS (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | Bram: (...) I'll try to fix that. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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