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[FUT lugnet.cad.dev] As the title suggests, the 2000-02 LCAD vote page is up and running. Please read the following, especially if you aren't familiar with the voting procedures. There are some 145 new parts in the update. Wow! This is a big one. My (...) (24 years ago, 19-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.announce) !
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(...) Should the download all files link near the top of the page be working? Kind regards John Jensen (24 years ago, 19-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Found the file anyway, took a guess at 0002.zip instead of 0001.zip, and it worked:) You probably should fix the link anyway though:) Kind regards John Jensen (24 years ago, 19-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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Great! I think it would be better to change the words "Created by" to "Author:" at the same time we update the train tracks. -- Tore Eriksson Sweden ICQ: 76066510 LEGO: MOC++++ FS,SP,TO++ TC+ LS YB@m (24 years ago, 19-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | What happened to WWW.LDRAW.ORG?... (Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02)
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(...) and I've constantly gotten the "No response - server may be down" message! What's up? Thanks, Franklin (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: What happened to WWW.LDRAW.ORG?... (Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02)
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(...) Works okie-dokie for me. Have you tried a traceroute? --Todd (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: What happened to WWW.LDRAW.ORG?... (Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02)
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(...) Same for me. I've also tried typing in www.ldraw.org in the address box, and it doesn't work either. Alan (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) What's a trace route?... Thanks, Franklin (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: What happened to WWW.LDRAW.ORG?... (Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02)
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(...) Strange. I'm not having any trouble. Steve (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks for pointing this out. I've updated the link. Steve (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Alan, What host/service are you using for your Internet access? I'm using Media One here in Atlanta, and this is not the first time these bozes have scrwed something up (and not had a living soul at the other end of their telephone "help" (...) (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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There are some things wrong with the page/vote: 1.I didnt know that the minifig gun flintlock pistol looked like that... 2.the space nose with V pattern image only shows the pattern, not the entire part. And 3.tell me again why 6084.dat is up for (...) (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Jonathan Wilson" <jonwil@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message news:399F6A40.734F6B....com.au... (...) Improvement of an erroneous part so it fits with the 6085 bottom half piece. -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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(...) Thanks a lot for the parts vote, Steve! First one comment on the Throwbots-related connector boxes, ie. x111.dat - Technic Connector Block 3 x 3 Triangular 32310.dat - Technic Connector Block 3 x 5 x 1 & 2/3 32165.dat - Technic Connector Block (...) (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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(...) OK, thanks for letting us know. Seriously, thanks for pointing that out. This is an error in my procedure for generating the voting page. 2562.dat was previously used as the palm tree trunk, it's currently a "moved to" stub file. 2562.dat is (...) (24 years ago, 20-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think when people see the word "decorated", they'd confuse it with patterned elements. Maybe "Ornamented" is a good term for parts like these, parts with extra decorative details? Tore used this term to describe the arch piece he made, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, that was why I was unsure muself about the use of "Decorated". It would be confusing. (...) That sounds like a good idea to me! This will separate the Slizer-originated elements from the earlier gear boxes, which are purely functional and (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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I have one comment on the part "2079.dat - Technic Liftarm 1 x 9 Offset Cross". (URL) part is basically a "liftarm" type of element, and those usually have a cross axle hole in the origin. Take a look at 32140, for example, the 2x4 L-shaped liftarm. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: What happened to WWW.LDRAW.ORG?...
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A traceroute is a command to find out what "route" a website takes over the Internet from the server to your machine and vice versa. When I am in the Netherlands at work, this is a part of my traceroute for ldraw.org looks like: ---...--- 7 400 ms (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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(...) Nah, if it was a simple fix of the existing part, it wouldn't require voting. Look at the "fixes.txt" file for other changes that will be coming in 2000-02. (URL) Steve (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK. Steve (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK. Steve (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks. (...) - ^^^...^^^ (...) *Each* of these failed for me also. :-( (I tried all six options above.) Help! Thanks, Franklin (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've used the word "Decorative" in the description of part #2871 (Electric Train Motor 9V Decorative Side). I feel that "Ornamented" describes more like something has a few "mirrors and beads" attached to it, and that "Decorative" describes (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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First off, lemme say wow, what a big set. I couldn't finish it in one sitting. Thanks, Steve and everyone else! :-, Secondly, I'm serious when I vote "no" due to rotation centers. If anyone disagrees with me here, let's get a discussion going (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) <snipple> (...) You forgot my favorite advice about voting: "Vote early, and vote often!" ;-)[0] -Tom McD. [0] Credit given to whomever thought that up (whose name I don't know) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote... (...) Yes, 226 files! Thank you for your effort. (...) Well, I did - or rather L3P went nuts spitting out 1500+ lines! It seems that 63 files slipped through the Quality Control: 980 bow-ties ("Bad vertex sequence") 487 (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh, right. Good point. (...) Right. The parts in question *are* useful, and do have some mirrors and beads on them (so to speak). (...) I feel just the opposite. "Decorated" is a common description for parts with printed patterns on them. I've (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Note to everyone (repeating myself from just a few minutes ago): the one thing that practically *can't* be changed after a part is released is the orientation and positioning! So it may seem picayune to argue about these things, but it is very (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I considered posting the L3P -check output as a link on the voting page. (...) How about a parrot w/o decorative printing? ;) (...) It would be very nice if L3Lab had a menu command for L3P-check'ing the current file. A little dialog to set (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) This is by design then? (...) No preference here; I just think that (for consistency) the origin should be between two studs (if possible), and visible when the model is viewed from the front or back or the sides (if possible). This one is (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Right. As I understand, this brick appeared with several different colors of printing, but always on the same color brick. This approach (hard-coding the brick color, but allowing the pattern color to 'float') has been done in a few other (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote... (...) Well, I didn't know it was that smart (or ignorant...) I'm simply using sscanf with the format string "%d %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f" Let me carefully re-read the sscanf documentation... "One white-space (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Steve Bliss writes: [snip] (...) O.K. Ornamented it will be then. By the way, Steve, Did you already notice that I've started to send "suggested update revisions" to your adress "partsref@worldnet.att.net" ? (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Gears (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) I think I've done all except for the largest. (...) DSCTS gears? Are they the same as Classic European Pre-Technic gears? (URL) is there yet another kind? The euro gears are not at all compatible with Samsonite gears. Where can a picture of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | R2D2's body (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) Ditto. I suggest it should be rotated 90 degrees before officializatoin. (btw, I made a little mockup of R2's body with orna... sorry, pattern) -- Tore Eriksson Sweden ICQ: 76066510 LEGO: MOC++++ FS,SP,TO++ TC+ LS YB@m (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Alrighty. And truly decorative parts can still be labeled as decorative. But I'm not retro-labeling *anything*. So, should 32166.dat, Technic Connector Block 3 x 6 x 1 & 2/3 Gearbox, be renamed to Technic Gearbox 3 x 6 x 1 & 2/3 Gearbox (...) (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm. I may be confused. The DACTA gears (see (URL)) may all be DUPLO scale. (...) About the same time as the rest of us. Once we get one standard figured out, some other issue arises. Steve (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: R2D2's body (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) Rotated? As in on the y-axis? That's pretty much what I was arguing against. Why should it be rotated? Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Umm, Jeremy. The holes are currently parallel (and centered on) the Z-axis. Rotating 90-degrees around Y would put the holes parallel to the X-axis. Steve (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: R2D2's body (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) So that, when R2D2 pattern is finished, front view will be front view and not left view. -- Tore Eriksson Sweden ICQ: 76066510 LEGO: MOC++++ FS,SP,TO++ TC+ LS YB@m (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Rotating 90-degrees (...) D'oh! I haven't had a chance to verify, but I do believe that I *did* rotate it while I was looking at it in LEdit! Sorry, y'all. Yep, I agree 100% with Tore and Steve on this. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 24-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello, I may have a dumb question here, but.... I voted on the parts on the voting page. I made several comments in the box below the "needs work" check box, without checking the box. Do those comments get submitted as well? Should I post those (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Well, I *finally* got to the Vote page! A friend of mine showed me the page for "(URL) think that someone here suggested I use an anonymizer, but it wasn't until my friend actually showed me that page that I understood what this was.) I voted (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If you only comment on the parts in the vote, Steve Bliss will have to mail the comments out to the respective parts authors. I think it is much simpler to post the comments here, so that everyone can read and followup on them. Fredrik (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) What Fredrik said. If the comment is just about the part-name, you can probably just post it in the vote. But if you're commenting about the part itself, it's better to post it here, and/or e-mail the author. (...) Send 'em in! Any fixes I get (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) <snip> (...) I think the overall quality of the parts in this update is one of the best I have seen. An update worth waiting for - well done Steve for putting it together and thanks to all the authors for some really excellent detailed work. (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) 27 different authors! My oh my! I would have guessed the half or so. -- Tore Eriksson Sweden ICQ: 76066510 LEGO: MOC++++ FS,SP,TO++ TC+ LS YB@m (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Windows with Glass (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) Oops! Following the standard James Jessiman set (part 453 and many more), the colour should be 39. Someday we ought to make a complete remake of all those windows. Then the most natural colour would be 47. Someday... Thansk, Chris. Steve, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) comments (...) Ok, I will review my list and double check the parts. To make sure I wasn't just seeing things. Then I will make a report of my findings. I was less concerned with part origins, or names, however I was watching more for missing (...) (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:46:35 GMT, "Chris Dee" <chris_w_dee@hotmail.com> wrote: <SNIP> (...) I have corrected these errors, and send the updated part to Steve <SNIP> Marc Klein A Mindstorms fan. (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree. I did not completely understand all the discussions about the orientation of that part. But I wouldn't change the Y position. I think that basically this part is to be attached with the pegholes on the side, and then rotated around (...) (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Nope. I'll leave the voting open until votes stop coming in (got 5 in the last 24 hours). Once I get a day or two without votes, I'll post a "voting closing soon" post. After voting actually closes, you can count on at least week before the (...) (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) About 5 of those are original authors of parts that are being fixed by someone else. If that makes any difference. Steve (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Dunno. I can't tell, looking at the part. I thought about coding those as color 16, but I didn't. It would probably be more useful to make it the same color as the plain brick. Steve (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) conditional). (...) Hello, Here is the list of things I found. Some of the line issues may just be my viewer not displaying quite right on my monitor. If there are any questions, please ask, and I will re-check and create a picture showing (...) (24 years ago, 1-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | 30223 contains co-planar polygons
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Part 30223 contains co-planar polygons. View it in L3Lab with random colors turned on to graphically see what I'm talking about. Is this considered ok, or should this qualify as "Needs work"? --Travis Cobbs (tcobbs@san.REMOVE.rr.com) (24 years ago, 1-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Are fixes automatically included?
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I'm new to the whole parts update process. Are the fixed parts automatically included in the update? The reason I ask is because the new version of 2447 looks hugely better than the old version when viewed using blended alpha instead of stipple (...) (24 years ago, 1-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Windows with Glass (Was: Voting Open...)
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(...) Yes, and yes. But as long as the other classic windows are glassed this way, I follow the "standard" James set, or else it would look strange to mix them with the other ones. -- Tore Eriksson Sweden ICQ: 76066510 LEGO: MOC++++ FS,SP,TO++ TC+ (...) (24 years ago, 1-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Lars Hassing pointed that out to me this morning, and I plan to fix it. In the meantime, I would say a "needs work" tag would not be out of order. Dave! (24 years ago, 1-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) While the setup of this part is not the best style, there are many parts already in the library with similar designs. It's kind of a middling quality thing. I'd like to see this fixed, but I don't think this deserves a "needs work" tag. Also, (...) (24 years ago, 3-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks for this comment. My computer is currently on the fritz¹², so I'll have to make these corrections at a later time and send them to Steve afterwards. Sorry about that. Fredrik __ ¹ Whereever does that idiom come from? ² See (...) (24 years ago, 3-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Maybe it's the noise electronic components make when they emit smoke. Especially vacuum tubes, or anything located in a Mad Scientist's Laboratory. Steve (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Currently, fixed parts are "automatically included", once the parts admin (ie: me) checks over the changes. And the fixed 2447 (the minifig visor) should look better with any color/treatment. Steve (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) tag. Happily, the "bad vertex sequences" were easier to fix than I anticipated, and the part now seems to pass the L3P check-test. I'll resend it to you, if you'd like. Other than the correction, the part is more-or-less identical to the one (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:G0ALp7.7D9@lugnet.com... (...) tag. (...) polygons. That sounds good to me, at least in this case. Since the overlapping polygons are the same color, they shouldn't cause any rendering (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, please. Fixes and improvements are always accepted! (...) Great! One more comment (to everyone, not Dave) about overlapping rectangles, and why not to use them. When this approach is used simply as a shortcut so the author doesn't have to (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Axel Poqué has already submited an update for this particular part. I've been giving it a "second opinion" adding a fix for the ghost lines mentioned above. In my opinion this part isn't an example of overlapping faces. What happened in the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:gi1arsoj23ml4du...4ax.com... (...) new (...) using (...) renderings (...) better (...) This is true. I just finished getting LDView's primitive substitution working for the quarter sloped (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) True, this case isn't an example of coplanar, overlapping polygons. Good catch. But it is an example of what can happen when you take shortcuts that have no visible effect at the time. No offense meant to James--the number of parts he wrote (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oops. My bad. The bottom of the visor is a slanted half-ring, with a 15inner/17outer radius. I constructed this by overlapping the 1-4rin10 p-files, and skewing the Y value to slant the rings downward toward the front. But I used the same (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Voting Closing Soon for 2000-02 Update!!
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If you haven't yet voted, or need to finish voting, please do so soon! I will consider the polls closed if I don't receive any more votes in the next 48 hours. If I do receive more votes, I will hold voting open until next Friday, September 15. (...) (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've corrected this now and sent the correction to Steve Bliss. Thanks again for your comment. Fredrik PS: A change of the motherboard fixed my computer. This was very easy to fix -- the difficult part was to find out which component was (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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