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Re: Voting Open for LCAD Parts Update 2000-02
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lugnet.cad.dev
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Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:53:06 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Sproaticus wrote:
> First off, lemme say wow, what a big set. I couldn't finish it in one
> sitting. Thanks, Steve and everyone else! :-,
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> Secondly, I'm serious when I vote "no" due to rotation centers. If anyone
> disagrees with me here, let's get a discussion going please.
Note to everyone (repeating myself from just a few minutes ago): the one
thing that practically *can't* be changed after a part is released is the
orientation and positioning! So it may seem picayune to argue about these
things, but it is very important to resolve any O/P issues before the parts
are released.
Note II: I am *not* planning on making any O/P changes to parts. It will
be up to the parts' authors to update the files, and resubmit them.
Note III: Other (minor) fixes, I will handle. It will save time overall.
> Voting notes:
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> 2546.dat - Animal Bird
> Crashes LEdit!
Hmm. There are two lines, missing a space between numbers:
> 3 16 4.3 -44.26 -0.85 4.3 -44.51 -1.099 4.3-44.78 -0.915
> [...]
> 3 16 -4.3 -44.26 -0.85 -4.3 -44.51 -1.099 -4.3-44.78 -0.915
Interesting that L3P doesn't pick up on this error. Apparently, L3P's
parser is too smart. ;)
> 3622p02.dat - Brick 1 x 3 with Control Panel Pattern
> Isn't this the radio? What happened to 3622p01 ?
It's one of the 'radio' bricks. But not the boom-box version, this is an
older pattern.
> 3067p01.dat - Brick 1 x 6 without Centre Studs with 'Hotel' Pattern
> Changing the color on this part alters the text color, not the brick color.
Yep.
> 30149.dat - Car Base 4 x 5 with 2 Seats
> Let's center this piece between some "top-level" studs, perhaps amongst the
> front set. Otherwise fine.
So you want to lower the piece, to place either the front panel or the back
panel at Y=0?
> 6085.dat - Cockpit 8 x 5 x 3
> Ditto.
Yep. It should be placed so the very top edge is at Y=0.
Hmm. I'd also say it should be centered on X and Z (ignoring the studs on
the front).
> 30361.dat - Cylinder 2 x 2 x 2 Robot Body
> Ditto. This one seems to be centered on the technic pin-holes, not very
> useful for what is really a brick piece.
Considering that the technic pin-holes are the standard distance below the
top surface, I agree.
Should it also be rotated 90-degrees around Y? Although it is more
standard (comparing to Technic Bricks) to have the pin-holes face the
front, this piece is still R2D2's body.
Going on a bit, should the R2D2 leg also be positioned so the top is at
Y=0, or should it be set to aid in rotations?
> 2562.dat - Minifig Gun Flintlock Pistol
> To aid in most typical rotations, let's center this on the intersection of
> the muzzle centerline and the handle centerline. Otherwise fine.
I can go either way on this. It's currently positioned to be easy to place
in a minifig hand.
> x460.dat - Minifig Gun Musket
> Ditto.
Ditto.
> 30132.dat - Minifig Gun Revolver
> Ditto.
Ditto.
> x467.dat - Minifig Gun Rifle
> Ditto. This one especially, as moving the center would aid in not two but
> *three* rotation axes.
*Sigh*. I give. You've out-dittoed me.
> x155.dat - Minifig Scuba Tank
> Crashes LEdit!
Same problem as 2546.dat--lack of space between two parameters.
> 3846p43.dat - Minifig Shield Triangular with Black Falcon Pattern
> Where I stopped, actually. :-, I can resume voting later, right?
Correct. Just refer back to your message, so you can easily find the place
where you stopped.
Nevermind. That seemed funnier before I typed it.
> Further notes without having actually looked at the DAT:
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> x742.dat - Technic Gear 21 Tooth
> Why is this rotated 90 degrees away from the other gears? Isn't the Z axis
> typically used anymore as the default rotation axis of Technic gears?
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> x743.dat - Technic Gear 35 Tooth
> Ditto.
There are conflicting precedents on these. The one existing part-file for
Samsonite-era gears (741.dat) is oriented on X, like x742 and x743. But
the standard for true Technic gears is the Z-axis.
Steve
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| (...) This is by design then? (...) No preference here; I just think that (for consistency) the origin should be between two studs (if possible), and visible when the model is viewed from the front or back or the sides (if possible). This one is (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| Steve Bliss wrote... (...) Well, I didn't know it was that smart (or ignorant...) I'm simply using sscanf with the format string "%d %s %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f %f" Let me carefully re-read the sscanf documentation... "One white-space (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| First off, lemme say wow, what a big set. I couldn't finish it in one sitting. Thanks, Steve and everyone else! :-, Secondly, I'm serious when I vote "no" due to rotation centers. If anyone disagrees with me here, let's get a discussion going (...) (24 years ago, 21-Aug-00, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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