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(...) Red? COOL! I need I need I need gimme gimme gimme I need I need (1) Where can I get some? Cheers, - jsproat 1. Name *that* movie, I dare you! :-, (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Java LDraw/LDLite
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(...) I've though a bit about this -- I think I would prefer uncompressed individual files, as this would make parts updates easier on the server end. Just copy the /P and /PARTS dirs to the Web server. (1) <DEVILS_ADVOCATE> However, the JDK now has (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: concave polys and LDraw
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(...) unfortunately because of our limitatiions here, i can't illustrate the problem... but if you take a 4-pointed chevron-type shape... sort of like a "V" and hand its points off to LDraw, it comes out as a triange... that's bad if you need the (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I recently offered to do just this and apply it to the existing decorated tiles (more than 10 minutes work to do it properly, IMHO), (URL) since I do not own all the decorated tiles myself I need guidance on which ones use the tile with the (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | [3068 with groove] (was:DAT voting page up) [DAT]
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(...) never (...) okay.. so here's a 3068 with the groove... any reason why we haven't already updated these??? (please feel free to let me know if i'm treading on some sacred ground or something here... but in all honesty, i don't see a problem (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) hmmm... i never noticed that before.. that the LDraw model of 3068 (as well as other tiles) doesn't have the fingernail groove around the edge... although i say that's BS.. in my opinion (looking at a couple stacked here on the desk, up (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) How could the TLG part be wrong? I'm not understanding this... (...) No, it isn't a good use of 'needs work'. You are talking about skipping half of the surface area. (...) No, it's not appropriate to use 'needs work' for this part. (...) Very (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: DAT voting page up [DAT]
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(...) Hmm. We'd just make a new primitive, including the stud, the indent beneath the stud, and the ndis's around them (maybe the entire 10x10LDU surface). 1 16 0 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4-4edge.dat 1 16 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4-4edge.dat 1 16 0 0 0 (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Java LDraw/LDLite
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Greg Williams wrote in message <36D6A432.8476B943@m...ng.com>... (...) features (...) done 3d (...) else's (...) for (...) As (...) free (...) Greg, this would be awesome. I think we need an option like this for Ldraw to really take off. Just think (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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(...) Would using the curved primitives work well or badly (since they are just angled polygons)? Steve (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | RE: concave polys and LDraw
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(...) There was a thread about it back in June 1998 ("LDraw and quads"), I don't think we ever decided if quads were allowed to be concave. It seems that LDraw first transforms the 4 vertices and then fills the four-sided polygon or triangle (if one (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Java LDraw/LDLite
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(...) standard (...) To me, that would be the primary advantage of a Java version[1], I haven't played with LDraw much because the biggest thing that put me off is the parts database, half the models I look at seem to have missing parts and when I (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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I actually thought of this long ago and mentioned it to LDraw Master James himself. He didn't sound very interested in it at the time because he didn't think java was fast enough to support it. I sorta dropped the idea after that. I'm glad Todd made (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) You can't. Even with a part in hand you can't because how do you know every part thru the ages is the same. A case in point, I just did an inventory of all the parts I have and found two 45 1 x 2 slopes that (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) Old version tiles didn't have these grooves and LDraw, to my knowledge, doesn't model it because of precision. Case in point ... (...) <FLAME><FLAME THROWER><AIR SUPPORT><ICBM> Nuff said Roy (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Modeling without the real element -- bad
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all my parts are designed to be usable. if they are out by a large amount or are unusable then i will fix it. (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Paul Gyugyi wrote in message <36D655B5.93F4637D@g...yi.com>... (...) That sounds great Paul. What I've been doing is working with the internal scripting of Rhino to stripe and weld the internal structure. Since I use the DATs via DXF conversion and (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: baseplate
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i have obtained the information i seek so do not worry. (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Modeling without the real element -- bad
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) without (...) to (...) Whoa, big boy. Calling someone careless when they are doing the best they can is pretty ... oh how did you put it... ah, yes... anal-retentive. Shall that be "mother's milk" or "milk of (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Paul Gyugyi wrote in message <36D65C66.E5F7A69@gy...yi.com>... (...) to (...) part/tracking (...) This is certainly true with metallic elements, but with clear I don't think so since ABS resin or any plastic resin I've seen is basic clear amber (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure, but it's not like the modelers are payed to make the parts. Personally, my motivation for making a new part is the enjoyment I feel from being able to use it in a model. But, to take the part 32140.DAT as an example agian, this (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Why wouldn't rejecting flawed parts improve the quality of the parts? It's not like they'd never get in -- they'd just get fixed right away. --Todd (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Might it be great in 12 months though? --Todd (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | RE: DAT voting page up
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(...) I'm glad you think so, beacuse I was going to suggest that to you, when you made the coins ;-) (...) You can have a hint of how to model the numerals by looking at L3P's primitive substitute for stud.dat (in any L3P generated POV file). /Lars (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm sure this happens all the time. A lot of the current LDraw elements are wrong, in some way. Some examples, from the top of my head: - The teeth of the Technic gear cogs are too wide. In real life, the width is 10 LDU, but on the LDraw cogs (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) i have fixed it because i built kings mountain fortress on the part and all the studs are in place (...) it was a small oversight on my part. even if i had the part in front of me then i still could have missed the stud (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: baseplate
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Would that be the space-baseplate? (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Part Numbering Crisis in LDraw
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(...) Well, to be honest, I just want to get a firm consensus on the best way to number these things. Something that will (hopefully) be agreable to the majority of users. Something I can use without greying too many more hairs. The real problem is (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I recall hearing once that the chrome parts had to be made from a different mold than non-chrome parts because the coating added some thickness. So on the chrome version, e.g. the plastic studs would be a little smaller. Also, I'd expect molds for (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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WinCE's java support is really very poor. -gyug (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: My proposal for new element orientation
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That won't work all the time. In the L3G0 library, the rule was the vertical axis should pass through the center of the bottom-left stud when the brick is held such that the "LEGO" logo is right-side-up, and the bottom of the brick rested on the (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) What if they slip past Terry, not being noted as "mockups" and it takes someone a long time to notices that they're incorrect? (...) Does that imply that carelessness and LDRAW do mix? (...) Precision/decimal accuracy are one thing -- that's (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I've thought about this also. A while back we discussed adding a feature that would remember the file and line number for each pixel in an LDLite-created image. You could use this information to strip out non-visible lines before exporting to POV, (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I'm quite happy to have pieces be mockups. If it is recognizable, it does the job of recording and communicating the model. IMO, perfection an LDRAW do not mix. Two decimal points? Rounding errors? 16 colors with _dithering_? Type 5 lines that may (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, at the resolution of LDRAW, the logo would show up as stray pixels of high contrast, and not look good at all. But in photographs/rendering, having those logos makes all the difference in the world. It's IMHO the reason MegaBlocks always (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I am *SOOO* happy that Terry and Joshua (and others) are anal-retentive enough and pedantic enough -- and thorough enough -- to bring this sort of thing up. Just imagine what a mess it would all be if nobody cared... This is really cool, guys! (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) (Isn't it quadruple clips?) (...) Nope, it's not. Nope nope nope. Seriously, Jonathan, go buy some LEGO. Seriously. Or ask someone to snail mail you a crystal ball for heaven's sake. You shouldn't have to ask questions like this. Questions (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure how a rule like that could be strictly enforced, but you could certainly put down a foot and declare from here on out that modeling pieces blindly is verboten because they (a) cannot possibly be 100% correct except in extremely (...) (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Without the actual element in front of you, how can you be 100% sure that you've actually fixed the problem? (...) Have you asked yourself why you missed this in the first place? --Todd (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) i have fixed that and send the fix to terry. also i added a missing stud at the edge next to the ramp. (...) i will fix this asap (...) i will not fix those (26 years ago, 26-Feb-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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