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Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) after I get a couple of MOCs Ldrawed. I would be very willing(and plan) to donate these. Also if anyone would like I could TRY keeping a list of which sets each person is going to donate. I don't know if this is wanted but I thought I could at (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jonathan Wilson

i think that one of the first things wee need to do is register ldraw.org. someone else may snap it up for something else... (26 years ago, 8-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) Good idea. Whoever it is (I think it was Larry) who volunteered to collect the funds for the domain should post with instructions on how he wants the collection to take place. I believe when you register a domain you need to have a primary and (...) (26 years ago, 8-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen

(...) [...] (...) I have checked with our network administrator, and he said OK to point the "ldraw.org" domain to "hugin.risoe.dk". I am not sure I can allow the site to eat more than 300 Mb, but I hope that's enough. (...) Yes (but I still like (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen

I forgot to include a link: [...] (...) Play well, Jacob 1) <URL:(URL) ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jonathan Wilson

(...) definatly do not use verdana. use the deafult. i use netscape on a win95 system and do not have verdana installed. others may be the same. (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht

(...) Please remember that you can define more than one type-face in HTML. For example: <FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> or in CSS: BODY { font: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif } That way the font should show up correctly for just about (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) Ok. I will design it with both Verdana and Arial in mind. The last thing we need is another Times New Roman page on the web :| AACK! Thanx for the pointers about CSS.. Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) Hey, there's nothing wrong with Times -- it just depends how you use it. In most occurrences, it's not used to its full potential. If you've got a large amount of body-text meant to be read sequentially, then Times is a great choice -- and (...) (26 years ago, 11-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Steve Bliss

(...) But Verdana can be easily misused when it falls into the wrong hands. Just look at most of my webpages as an example. They're generally pretty bad. (URL), if you don't believe me. Steve (26 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger

(...) Hmm. Seems to me the whole typography thing goes against the grain of how the web was conceived. Isn't HTML supposed to be a description of how a page is rendered, with the particular web browser deciding on fonts? FWIW, Steve's page looks (...) (26 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) Indeed it does go against the original intentions/conceptions. (...) Long ago it was supposed to be that way. But that was when physicists, mathematicians, and programmers were the only people using the web. It's possible (maybe even easy) to (...) (26 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger

(...) All true. It's the "careful attention to backward compatibility" that bugs me. HTML is supposed to be device independent, so you don't *need* to worry about these details. Sure, tags enable new features without breaking older browsers, but you (...) (26 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) It still is, and you still don't need to unless you really want to. That's the winning beauty of it. Unfortunately, when people ignore compatibility, it's usually that they're using new features and forgetting about backward compatibility (...) (26 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger

(...) Websites that intentionally exclude the largest possible audience will lose in the marketplace. eBay, Amazon, and Yahoo seem to do just fine with plain old HTML, why shouldn't anyone else? (...) The designer had better be serious about those (...) (26 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) I disagree. First, whether or not a website loses in the marketplace has little to do with whether the exclusion of the largest possible audience was intentional or unintentional, right? :) Second, for the largest possible audience, you would (...) (26 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) Say, what do you think about HTML/XML extensions for doing line-art? (I mean official extensions, of course -- if they can be standardized upon. There are so many people competing for this right now, it frightens me.) Anyway, it's not that (...) (26 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Alan Shutko

(...) Actually, my biggest complaint these days is their latency. It takes so long to download 30 little gifs used to put together a page on a modem. And I'd _love_ to have some fast connection, but the only one available here is a T1. And those (...) (26 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) In theory, a bunch of small GIFs -should- load quickly with a page, right? As long as both the client & server are using HTTP 1.1 and Keep-Alive? I know what you mean, though... What a gunky thing to see a bunch of little image icons on a page (...) (26 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger

(...) A great idea. I know of one proposed standard, from Adobe, Netscape, and IBM - PGML (precision graphics markup language). The W3 proposal is at: (URL) back to the "old technology browsers" thing, I'm glad we've agreed to disagree. :^) However, (...) (26 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman

(...) We probably agree more on the basic principles than it seems. :) I agree with all the ideals -- I just don't see the ideals being fully idealized forever, what with all the sorts of bozo stuff going on like Active-X (glorified MS-OLE, which is (...) (26 years ago, 4-May-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger

(...) OOOO! Tufte *rocks*. I've got two of his books (Visual Display of Quanititative Information and Visual Explanations), and they are just a total joy to read and look at. Check out Tomalak's Realm, too: (URL) got pointed to it (and JN) by Dave (...) (26 years ago, 5-May-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Mike Stanley

(...) Yeah, even those cute little error messages with the bombs on them are adorable. :) (26 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

WOT: Futurama (was Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times) —Tim Rueger

(...) Did you see Futurama earlier this week? Fry and Leela were put on trial in a robot court, with an obviously-ancient Mac as the presiding judge. It even system-bombed during its deliberations, with the authentic Mac Plus tone. -Tim (Followups (...) (26 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen

Tim: (...) I haven't got any of these for Netscape and I run lynx with a plain sans serif fixed width font I don't know the name of. :-) And lynx is just another browser. I am using version 2.8.1pre.9 (10 Oct 1998). You can find information about (...) (26 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht

(...) Doesn't your system have any font-substitution macros? I didn't know mine did until I ran across it, but it does (for example Helvetica -> Arial, Tms -> Times) (...) How advanced is lynx? Is it text-only? How well does it implement the w3 (...) (26 years ago, 13-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen

Bram Lambrecht (braml@juno.com) wrote: [...] (...) Could be. (...) It implements all of HTML 4.0, including the Link element which Netscape and MSIE just ignores. I haven't noticed any use of CSS. HTML documents are presented as plain text and (...) (26 years ago, 13-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

[ldraw.org] Browsers and CSS(was: Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel) —Tim Courtney

(...) I looked into CSS today and think it would be very useful in keeping the pages clean and allowing a universal across-the-board look and feel. The method I would use would be the one .css file that the html references to and that can be changed (...) (26 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) I agree. This area is really going to go hogwild (in a good way) and be muchly integrated with other DB & commerce aspects of lugnet.com. The URL(s) will even be getting simpler/nicer -- becoming (URL) and sub-categories. One sub-category in (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht

(...) any (...) mouse (...) list (and (...) sit (...) lists (or (...) WOW! I guess that means I have to stop "cheating" in my DAT files (ie, mirroring a wing or other left/right piece instead of using the correct piece) (...) core (...) amount of (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

mirrored parts —Todd Lehman

(...) Ooh. That's an interesting one. One kind of "cheating" that won't confuse the system is using a color of a part that doesn't really exist -- a request for that part just simply wouldn't ever be fulfilled, similar to the way a request for a (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: mirrored parts —Bram Lambrecht

(...) AUGH! I'm guilty of both types of cheating! Maybe you should allow the person searching for the parts to replace hard to find colors with easier to find parts? For example, I built all my Star Wars models in white (except for the snow (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: mirrored parts —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) I don't feel this is cheating, so much as personal artistic expression. Karim Nassar was just nominated for CLSOTW in spite of using this tactic. I'd vote for him. It doesn't need to be an issue of confusing people into trying to find (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) Looking at the other thread in lugnet.cad, it seems that there may end up being two model repositories (if not more...there already are several). --Todd (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) For official models, I really don't care where they're stored. As for MOCs, especially mine, there's my home page and then there's those I have given permission to. I sincerely feel that there should be an extensive review process for any MOC (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) As far as MOC's go, I feel the same as you do. I am wary about releasing my models to another site that's author is not directly associated with Zacktron (there are a couple, but no models of mine displayed off-site yet). I have no problem (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) I should think that 300mb would be enough. I only expect the programs to take up 50mb at the most. As you know, sites themselves take up very little space. (...) That URL didn't load for me. I don't mind storing the files there, but I would (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Selçuk Göre

(...) Knowing that I'm the only Turkish AFOL here in both Lugnet and RTL (and I still know only one AFOL from my country), it won't be so much helpful, but I could prepare Turkish translations if anybody wants...:-) Selçuk (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) Jacob meant a general format (URL) nnnn is an article number. (...) That is in fact exactly what something like (URL) Note that there are two scripts in the /news/ directory -- display.cgi -- displays full article text ldraw.cgi -- serves raw (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) They do. When an HTTP client (e.g., Netscape Navigator) requests index.html, the HTTP server (e.g., Apache) sends back the data contained in index.xx.html, where xx is a language which matches a language in the list specified by the client. (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht

(...) But the URL's aren't translated then are they? Just the pages are, right? I think that's one of the things Tim thought would be nice- meaningful URLs in every language. BTW: has anyone taken a look at Altavista's "Translate" utility? IMO, it (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) No -- those stay in some pre-chosen language, for example English. (...) Right -- (unless you do silent URL redirection, but then you would lose the advantage that the automatic language negotiation provides). (...) It certainly is nice in (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) Good. I have absolutely no problem with using an existing database residing on lugnet.com instead of creating one from scratch. Its a good way to avoid redundancy, avoid redundancy. :) (...) exactly (...) Great! Could we make the upload (...) (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Todd Lehman

(...) One option is that you could simply point people to: (URL) has the benefit that it will automatically recognize them and fill in their name & e-mail address into the form, so they don't have to type it in each time they post a file. Otherwise (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —John VanZwieten

In lugnet.cad.dev, Todd Lehman writes: <big snip> (...) Ldrawn models should be titled with a leading "m" as in m6889.dat. This might clear up some confusion. -John Van (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Terry Keller

(...) That is sort of the de-facto "standard". Jorge Gonzalez (1) used this method for the sets he did, as have others. -- Terry K -- 1. Pretty sure it was JG. JG, sorry if I misspelled your name. (26 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney

(...) might (...) Good idea. Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their sites and read their posts, now see their faces: RTL/LUGNET Legofest 1999: (URL) SP++++c(6973)[ip++++ bt2++++ ex+++ ft+++ sp+++ ut++] (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen

Tim: [...] (...) Does it work in X? (...) <URL:(URL) [...] [ Using Apache to handle multiple languages. ] (...) You get a translated page if it is translated, otherwise you get an English one. Your suggestion means that you get nothing if people get (...) (26 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)