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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Kind of ironic, huh? :-) AFAIK, Jonathan hadn't broken any of the T&C for the discussion groups. (There's no "you mustn't annoy the bejesus out of people" rule, and at this point I'm not entirely sure there shouldn't be, but that'd be a fun (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) want (...) who (...) auctions (...) I'd be curious as to how many people really never ever ever want to see an auction announcement. I would guess that many of the people who got upset at the trend RTL was (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | Frank Filz skrev i meddelandet ... (...) Probably more than you can imagine! The world is large, and there are all kinds of people. I'd guess that a majority of the readers are *not* here to get auction information, and a fair amount of us are (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Anders Isaksson wrote in message ... (...) it. (...) and (...) the (...) news (...) to (...) This is certainly a valid issue, and definitely compartmentalized dorkdom is very much a part of the solution, though there needs to be a balance between (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) "posting auction notices to groups that don't welcome" RE : What I did on Friday. There has been no mass protest. Even the debate here in l.g.a has only had contriburion from a handful of posters. (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) Is it really necessary for everyone who thinks what you're doing is wrong to say so-- even though there are clearly defined rules to tell you so-- before you'll believe it? Fine, then, I'll do my part. I think your continual posting of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) to (...) Define what you mean by "continual". (...) doing (...) You are wrong. (...) or (...) fair (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) I would think the word means the same thing on your side of the Atlantic as it does on mine. You have crossposted auction announcements before, and been chastised for it before, and said you wouldn't do it again before. Yet you do it again. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) as it (...) it (...) You've (...) I don't want to get bogged down of this point. However, to the casual reader, "continual". sound like it is the norm for me. I'm sure you will agree that this is far from being the case? (...) supposed (...) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll merely repeat myself, because I feel I was clear to start with. 1) You have done it in the past. 2) You have been chastised. 3) You have done it after being chastised. 4) You have shown no real remorse for your actions. Quite on the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) it (...) again (...) OK. So how would you see matters progressing? Before answering, remember I have explained Friday's events several times, and my explanation appears to have been accepted. I do not think, at least I hope not, that anyone (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, since you asked... If you want to prove your sincerity, and get your posting priviledges to .buy-sell-trade back, up the ante if you break the T&C again. Tell Todd that the next time you post an auction announcement to .b-s-t you will (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, just to chime in here, I think Scott said he was serious about donating 10 bucks as a fine, although it came off as flippant at first. This may be a UK US thing, or even a US vs all other english speakers thing, but I've noticed that non (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) It may well have been meant in a spirit of fun. Unfortunately, it really wasn't the time for a joke, which is why it came off as flippant. (...) Well, thanks. (...) I don't have an issue with his laziness. He can be as lazy as the day is long (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There are no mitigating circumstances after the first error. Terms of Service are Terms of Service. Violating them should lead to corrective action. If a person continues to violate, them, and shows that they have no understanding of why ToS's (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | "Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote in message news:Fpx8v2.6C7@lugnet.com... (...) Service (...) If a (...) understanding of (...) this (...) That is your opinion. (...) it's (...) Again, that is your opinion. (...) are (...) questionable. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) ..... and I just found this one, from yesterday, in market.shopping: (URL) A (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) do seem to be getting a little pissy about this. Both of these make you seem like a child trying to get out of trouble by accusing another child of doing something wrong. The first, obviously, is a sale. I'm a little puzzled sometimes by what (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I was just answering the point that Eric was making, that is all. Bickering is not my intention. To be honest, I wish I had enough self restraint to stop myself answering the points raised. I just hate to be misrepresented that is all. I _do_ (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) about that -- thanks for pointing it out), but it certainly hasn't violated any of the discussion group T&C (although if it happened a lot, it would probably fall under posting wildly off-topic or somesuch). --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) So tell us: Whys is it bad, and what will you do to ensure it doesn't happen in the future? (...) Point out to me the phrase in your post that makes it anything but a warning of several upcoming auctions. (...) place for auction announcements? (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) warning of (...) "Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade" (...) It is still in the wrong group. (...) *correct* (...) It is a trade post in the auction group. Surely by now you understand that is the *incorrect* place for trade announcements? (...) (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I also said that the actions of others don't excuse your actions, which is an issue you've yet to address. Yes, fine, other people have made mistakes. Few have made them, been chastised, and continued to do it, however. More importantly, I (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | "Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote in message news:FpxDFC.4z@lugnet.com... (...) in (...) So you agree the above statement was not 100% accurate? Scott A (...) an (...) Few (...) into (...) ourselves (...) here, (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Eric, While I agree that what Scott did was wrong, I totally disagree that it was a willfull, blatant, attempt to put an auction announcement in BST. It was an attempt to offer the goods for sale/trade prior to being auctioned. It was terribly (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) On the contrary, I've said that I hold no expectation of him doing that. Whether I think it was deliberate or not is immaterial to the consequences that should follow from someone ignoring T&C for the fourth time. (...) He did yesterday, and (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | I guess I should give this up. I will just say that this whole discussion has accomplished absolutely nothing usefull, and all it has accomplished from my point of view is to unfairly roast Scott. I will let my opinion on that stand, and await Todd (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Seconded. in spades. And how. (...) A lot of us including myself are getting spun up about it, and you're right. Scott isn't helping matters, though. Not that it's easy to recant a dug in position! I;m of two minds about the whole thing. I (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <38A87F96.A369223F@v...er.net>... (...) I have to agree with you about stubbornness, but I hope people have considered how their responses to Scott have encouraged that stubbornness. Frank (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This suggestion seems quite reasonable to me. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:Fpxz3G.33p@lugnet.com... (...) hierarchy (...) will (...) announcements. (...) This suggestion seems quite un-reasonable to me. Lastweek I had no intention of breaking any LUGNet rules. Today (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Dan Jezek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) How about this suggestion: Next time you cross-post lugnet.auction and lugnet.buy-sell-trade with an auction announcement (or something poorly worded), you will send each person you offend a Lego minifig. Those people who feel offended by your (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But, if you have no intention of breaking the T&C in the future, and you're going to be careful about it (unlike the past), then the repercussions of breaking the rules shouldn't matter, should they? (...) Well, I would, but I doubt I count, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) you're (...) I wish I was perfect like you Eric. Your argument is taking a reasonable point too far. Do you ever oversleep, I'm sure you must? I'm sure you promise it'll never happen again... and then you do it again. In my opionion , my word (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) thing (...) I'm trying to restrain myself on this discussion, so all I will say is that I agree very much with the sentiment Scott is expressing here. Read my other recent posts here if you want to know all my (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Frank Filz wrote in message ... (...) Actually, I fibbed a little above, I'm continuing to develop my feelings, but I'm going to hold off a little and see what happens before expressing them. Frank (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Personally, I suggest Lorbaat and Scott killfile each other and be done with it, and save us all the headache of seeing this dragged on and on and on and on..... (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) with it, (...) on..... I'm not sure what "killfile" is, but I shall just assume the worst. I'd be the first to admit that I've made this whole issue worse by continually responded to every single point raised. I've tried really hard not to, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Huw Millington
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Scott A <s.arthur@hw.ac.uk> wrote in message news:Fq0qDs.CM3@lugnet.com... (...) bitter (...) You have my sympathy. I felt exactly the same when I was set-upon over the retailers scans. Its worrying the effect this virtual community can have on (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Huw Millington
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| | | | | | | | | | Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:38A867D2.167E@m...ing.com... (...) Hold on a minute - I was the offender in that case :-) Huw (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Oops. I knew I was going to get confused about people... Sorry folks. (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) One was. And it was addressed. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) That wasn't too clear. To be clear, that wasn't meant as a back-handed slap against Scott. It was referring to this one: (URL) Scott kindly pointed out. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) By selling Lego I aim to break even. No more. No less. (...) The auctions had not started. It was the intention of the post to: 1. Announce that the auction would start. 2. Try to sell the items before the action did start. By cross posting (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Well, you're right in that one single incident (this Friday's) did not have the same effect. When I said "posting auction notices" I meant the general act, probably repeated numerous times by numerous people. Slippery slope and all. And (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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