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Re: LUGNet Chat
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Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:29:28 GMT
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:57:23 GMT, "Alex Wetmore" <alex@phred.org>
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> Talkers of the type which you are talking about are very hard to use unless
> you use a special telnet client such as tinyfugue. Without one incoming
> talk lines will show up in the middle of what you are typing.
Not necessarily. I played on SouCon MUSH and PernMUSH for MONTHS using
telnet only. (It was at least a year before I had access to tf) Sure,
now that I have tf I would be hard-pressed to go back to plain telnet.
But it CAN be done. ANd it is not as painful as you said or I would
have been disuaded from playing on all the MU* I did before I had
acces to it (Shoot, I'd go into the lab and log onto three different
terminals at once to multi- before I had a client that made this
easy!)
When you go to a new line, it shows you the information you typed all
at once again (Or if you delete back to the end of the last line)
> Hence, telnet as a talk client isn't really a good thing. You either need
> character by character mode (what I did to make my system work well, but its
> slow if you use telnet instead of a yabbs client) or a line by line mode
I'm not sure what you are talking about here. But I have personal
experience that says plain telnet is not a major problem.
> (hard to use or need a special telnet client which splits up sent and
> received data). Both require downloading software. If someone is going to
Nope. i already have access to tf on my ISP and I suspect that Eskimo
is not the only ISP that has this loaded for everyone who wants to.
I'm sure it has IRC access too (though I understand that Eskimo has
been banned from some IRC servers so, depending on where this thing
goes, I might not be able to access it. There was a big political
frou-fra-fra a while back)
> download software it might as well be an IRC client (which many folks have
> already and most of which are well tested and supported).
I do NOT have a IRC client already. And I don't know what makes you
think that most people already have them. Most people I know already
have newsreaders, web browsers, and email programs. And that's it.
> Many computer users are happier with GUI based clients. Menus, cut and
> paste, etc are familiar concepts to a lot of people. Command line
> interfaces aren't. IRC offers either, with tons of well supported clients
> out there.
You can create both types of clients as well for "talkers" personally,
I find the GUI detracts. But for people who want it, they are out
there. (A friend of mine uses one)
> The universities that I know of which don't allow IRC also don't allow MUDs
> and talkers because they are considered a waste of computer resources. Both
> probably cause similar numbers of students to drop out due to falling behind
> in classes.
*raises hand* I agree that MUDs are EVIL this way! There is no way
you'd find me introducing a student to any of the MUSHes. Addictive,
you say?
> As we have concluded, a talker requires a programing to be installed too.
> You need tinyfugue or another "MUD" telnet client which splits sent and
> received data to make it easy to parse what is going on. If you do this on
> the server end then you get character-by-character mode, which is slow.
No. This makes talkers nicer. It is NOT necessary. Necessary is
something that access the telnet protocol -- a program which comes
with Win95, I know. Don't know about mac. Unix has it by default, I
believe.
> IRC is software. It is for talking to people. So are talkers. IRC is just
> built around a
> standard RFC'd protocol with many implementations. Talkers aren't.
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*raises an eyebrow* Telnet is not a standard RDC'd protocol?
Sarah
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| (...) I dunno. Many (most?) ISPs these days don't even give out shell accounts, let alone being cool enough to install useful programs.... (...) :) Yes, of course Unix has it by default. The telnet client that comes with Win95 is utter crap -- (...) (26 years ago, 9-Oct-98, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| Perhaps a Princess.... <sarah@eskimo.com> wrote in message 36208bba.79678367@20....63.236... (...) Many ISPs these days don't have shell accounts. Many aren't even based on Unix. The largest ISPs in the country (AOL, Worldnet, MSN, Compuserve, etc) (...) (26 years ago, 9-Oct-98, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| Richard Franks <richard@__no_spam_p...pider.com> wrote in message 361D3CC9.3F87@__no_s...der.com... (...) heyday (...) Talkers of the type which you are talking about are very hard to use unless you use a special telnet client such as tinyfugue. (...) (26 years ago, 9-Oct-98, to lugnet.admin.general)
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