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Subject: 
Re: problem with dat groups.
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.cad
Date: 
Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:51:57 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Jeff Stembel writes:
> -Every message in the subgroups shows up.  Example:  I open .cad, and I get
> messages from cad.dev, cad.dat.models, etc.  It is waaay too confusing to
> try to figure out what is going on.  When I open .cad, I want nothing *but*
> messages posted to .cad.
> 
> -I can't figure out what message I'm on, number wise.  When I view in
> compact view (which I prefer), the directory tree(1) ends with *121 (-20).
> I realize that the 121 is because cad.dat.models and cad.dat.models.sets
> are joined, but the message numbers are still from their respective group,
> which I find quite confusing.

OK, so you'd like a link to the part that displays just lugnet.cad, but not
lugnet.cad.* ?


> -Canceled messages show up.

This is a feature, not a bug.

Of course, it's not true that the canceled articles actually show up; you
can't read them.  Only the empty shells/skeletons of what the article once
was show up.

It's important to include them because often they are a missing link when
you look back over an old thread.  That is, it messes up perusal of the
threads without them when someone has replied to a canceled message, and
the reply is still there with no parent article.


> -The 3 most recent messages don't show up in compact view.  I don't need
> (or want, it is just extra load time as far as I am concerned) those short
> descriptions.  They just get in my way when I am trying to get to the
> messages.

I'll see what I can do about including them in the first page of the compact
view.


> -Please make the title the link.  The little square is a lot harder to
> click on precisely, especially when my resolution is set really high
> (necessary for what I do here at work.)

Done.


> -Since scripts are used to access messages, can't you allow the user
> to select how they want to view the groups?  (it would be stored in
> cookies, or there could be an alternate series of pages)

This might be an enhanced feature later.  But note that the web interface
isn't intended to be a replacement for a real newsreader.  It'll probably
never be any better than "just good enough."


> -The message headers are really jumbled.  I have to actively examine them
> to figure out who wrote a message.

Which?


> -I liked the reply button at the top, 'cause its a pain to have to scroll
> the screen when I want to reply to a message (messages with dat files are
> even worse).

Ahh.  OK, forgot about DAT files.  Doesn't Ctrl-End work, BTW?


> -could you allow the user's color settings to override the defaults?
> Netscape's standard blue is hard on my eyes, and I don't want to have to
> keep switching the override on and off.

I assume you mean the LINK= and VLINK= attributes of the <BODY> tag?  If so,
these are now disabled and the browser defaults (typically bright blue and
dark magenta) are used instead of hard-coded link colors.


> Change can be good, and I like change, but sometimes things just don't work
> out.  I hope you will take my critizisms into acount.  :)

Certainly.  Thanks.

--Todd



Message has 3 Replies:
  Re: problem with dat groups.
 
(...) OK Jeff, when you go to (URL) now, there is a link on the far left which says: View plain (without subgroups) If you click on that, then it pops you into a compact-article display of messages in lugnet.cad only, like the way a real newsreader (...) (27 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.cad)
  Re: problem with dat groups.
 
(...) Yeah, that's what I meant, and thanks for implementing it! :) (...) Maybe I should've been clearer. They were showing up in the compact view. I don't remember them doing that before. (...) Thanks! (...) Once again, Thanks! (...) I've found (...) (27 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
  Re: problem with dat groups.
 
In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes: Todd, I realize I'm jumping in on this kinda late. First I noticed out of the hopper was that pages load more slowly. Not a complaint, just an observation. It made me sit up at work and take notice (...) (27 years ago, 23-Jun-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.cad)

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  Re: problem with dat groups.
 
(...) Some problems I have with the new setup: -Every message in the subgroups shows up. Example: I open .cad, and I get messages from cad.dev, cad.dat.models, etc. It is waaay too confusing to try to figure out what is going on. When I open .cad, I (...) (27 years ago, 22-Jun-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.cad)

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