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Re: Badgering emails
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lugnet.admin.general
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Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:33:10 GMT
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Dan Boger wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 01:51:41PM +0000, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.general, Dan Boger wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 01:34:41PM +0000, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > In that case, if it's true that it can't, what then?
> > >
> > > I'd recommend setting it up so it'll work then. I can think of a few
> > > ways to do this. However, it doesn't change the point that it's up
> > > to LUGNET to make sure the admins can send email to users, assuming
> > > the user has actually provided a valid email address.
> >
> > OK. But it isn't set up NOW, is it?
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> > If so, what then?
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> I don't know? Be aware that your emails might not be getting where you
> send them, and not fault the user for it? It's STILL not the users'
> issue to solve.
Hmm, I think it's actually both peoples issue to solve. SPAM is a real
problem, but I have seen several providers take a lazy way out. Remember
when Lugnet was incorrectly put on SPAM black lists? If it was only Lugnet's
responsibility to solve the problem, the problem would never be solved. The
problem is only really solved when the customers of services that refuse to
review their use of SPAM blocks use the weight of their value as a customer
to get the service to review the use. They don't lose any skin if Lugnet
can't send their users e-mail, except through the fact that their customers
lose skin.
I've also wondered about what really is spoofing. I suspect 99% of the mail
that doesn't originate from web based mail clients does not originate from a
system with an IP address that could be resolved by DNS from the hostname in
the person's e-mail address (for example, when I use a recently acquired
e-mail address for work, my e-mail is xxxx@us.ibm.com, however, my Linux
machine originates the e-mail, sending it to an SMTP relay which eventually
delivers it to the recipient. I'm not sure any of the IP addresses (and host
names) that show up in the forwarding information would match any address
us.ibm.com can resolve to.
So is this e-mail spoofed?
The same thing happens with my Mindspring e-mail. The temporary IP address
Earthlink assigns to my home PC which will show up as the originator of the
e-mail is not an IP address that mindspring.com will ever resolve to.
Heck, I'm not even sure that the web based e-mail clients don't effectively
spoof e-mail also. When I use Earthlink's web e-mail client, I wouldn't be
surprised if the machine it's on, and shows up in the forwarding headers, is
not an IP address that mindspring.com would ever resolve to.
Frank
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| (...) True. If LUGENT's servers end up on a blacklist again, it would be everyone's problem. But while Kevin could (and probably should) ask his ISP to unblock Larry's server, I would doubt one user would actually make much of an impact on them. So (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) I don't know? Be aware that your emails might not be getting where you send them, and not fault the user for it? It's STILL not the users' issue to solve. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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