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If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
future LEGO Legends.
Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
Have fun!
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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If you haven’t noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we’re currently
running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
future LEGO Legends.
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The survey seems to have stalled out for me on the “rank your picks” page, Jake.
JOHN
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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If you haven’t noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we’re currently
running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
future LEGO Legends.
Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
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Remind me to visit the MyOpinions site more often. Looks like there are plenty
of good opportunities to voice our opinions.
One thing though - why isn’t TechnicMindStorms listed? I’d hardly call it
“all-new” (though here’s to hoping ;) ).
-Mike
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Jake,
When running these types of surveys, it might help to run them in two phases,
due to the way you ask people to add their own responses.
For instance, under "castle" your survey then goes on to ask "what type", and
gave the options "Black Knights", "Lord of the Rings", "Fantasy theme like
centaurs, dwarfs, mythical animals", "Ninja", and "King Leo's Castle", plus the
add your own option. Imagine six people vote. I added something like "modular
castles (see 80's sets)", but suppose someone else added "sets like 6041" and
another person said "sets in the style of Legoland Castle", and another person
said "Things like the Guarded Inn". We'd all be asking for essentially the same
thing, but if two people voted for "Ninja", it would look like more people want
Ninja than anything else.
In my suggestion, there'd be two phases to a survey like this. In the first you
would ask for people's suggestions. Then, someone goes through those and
combines the nearly identical ones above into one category. In the second
phase, then, the voting is more concentrated, because all of the people above
end up voting for the same thing, and it becomes more meaningful data. Of
course this requires that someone goes through and does the job of combining,
and someone will always object that the combined categories don't completely fit
their suggested category.
Another thing on the survey. It is not clear whether you mean what old set
would we like rereleased as a Legend, or just general suggestions on future
directions in what kinds of sets we want.
Bruce
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In lugnet.lego, Mike Thorn wrote:
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One thing though - why isn’t TechnicMindStorms listed? I’d hardly call it
“all-new” (though here’s to hoping ;) ).
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Firstly, all of the themes listed seemed rather minfig-centric, with the
exception of “large sculptures”. Not TECHNIC, no DUPLO, no Designer (shoot, I
just realized I could have asked for Space and Castle X-Pods) Secondly (and
this is speculation), Mindstorms has been listed as one of the core products,
and confirmed as not being dead, so maybe that means it’s already slated for a
comeback?
My big curiosity is why Aquanauts was listed under the Space theme and not under
the Aquazone theme that it originated.
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In lugnet.lego, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
> Jake,
>
> When running these types of surveys, it might help to run them in two phases,
> due to the way you ask people to add their own responses.
>
> For instance, under "castle" your survey then goes on to ask "what type", and
> gave the options "Black Knights", "Lord of the Rings", "Fantasy theme like
> centaurs, dwarfs, mythical animals", "Ninja", and "King Leo's Castle", plus the
> add your own option. Imagine six people vote. I added something like "modular
> castles (see 80's sets)", but suppose someone else added "sets like 6041" and
> another person said "sets in the style of Legoland Castle", and another person
> said "Things like the Guarded Inn". We'd all be asking for essentially the same
> thing, but if two people voted for "Ninja", it would look like more people want
> Ninja than anything else.
>
> In my suggestion, there'd be two phases to a survey like this. In the first you
> would ask for people's suggestions. Then, someone goes through those and
> combines the nearly identical ones above into one category. In the second
> phase, then, the voting is more concentrated, because all of the people above
> end up voting for the same thing, and it becomes more meaningful data. Of
> course this requires that someone goes through and does the job of combining,
> and someone will always object that the combined categories don't completely fit
> their suggested category.
>
> Another thing on the survey. It is not clear whether you mean what old set
> would we like rereleased as a Legend, or just general suggestions on future
> directions in what kinds of sets we want.
>
> Bruce
In the first survey, if memory serves me, someone went through the suggestions,
cleaned up, simplified, or combined suggestions, and then added it to the list.
There were numerous adds - my suggestion regarding Pirates was slightly
reworded, mostly for brevity and added to the list (where it made the top five,
IIRC). Presumably, they will do the same this time.
-->Bruce<--
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Hi.
I think, the survey is nonsense.
LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
available.
Regards Ronald
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In lugnet.lego, Ronald Borchert wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I think, the survey is nonsense.
> LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> available.
>
> Regards Ronald
I tend to agree, though they COULD reissue the very first castle, you know, the
yellow one. ;-) I fear there may be no end to corporate wrongheadedness.
Peace and lost legends,
Professor Whateverly
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In lugnet.lego, Ronald Borchert wrote:
> I think, the survey is nonsense.
> LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> available.
I am not sure I agree.
See http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4554 which is rereleased as
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/2150, but in different colors.
Arguably that's a case where LEGO produced a "legend", isn't it?
I think to say that they cannot do it may not be a universally held opinion. I
think the color change was misguided and may well backfire on them but it's not
preventing them from re-releasing sets. Even Classic Space could be rereleased
in the new light gray rather than the old. I'd rather it wasn't but it could be.
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> Hi.
>
> I think, the survey is nonsense.
> LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> available.
>
> Regards Ronald
This is true. When I ordered the metroliner legend I was dissappointed to find
that the girl hair with the pigtails was replaced with the long straight hair.
Jeff
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In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Mike Thorn wrote:
> > One thing though - why isn't Technic\MindStorms listed? I'd hardly call it
> > "all-new" (though here's to hoping ;) ).
>
> Firstly, all of the themes listed seemed rather minfig-centric, with the
> exception of "large sculptures". Not TECHNIC, no DUPLO, no Designer (shoot,
> I just realized I could have asked for Space and Castle X-Pods) Secondly
> (and this is speculation), Mindstorms has been listed as one of the core
> products, and confirmed as not being dead, so maybe that means it's already
> slated for a comeback?
Seriously, a DUPLO legend? Really? Honestly? Or are you giving me a hard time?
:)
And designer isn't a legend because... well... it just came out last year and is
still on the shelves now. Hardly a candidate to re-release anything under it at
this point.
As far as TECHNIC, I can't say. But that's why there are options for filling in
your own choices.
> My big curiosity is why Aquanauts was listed under the Space theme and not
> under the Aquazone theme that it originated.
Mistake, I assume. My apologies.
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Ley Ward wrote:
> I tend to agree, though they COULD reissue the very first castle, you know,
> the yellow one. ;-)
Except it has light-grey plates used for walkways on the battlements, light grey
helmets, a light-grey visor, light grey armor, light-grey shields, light-grey
lances, light-grey battleaxes, and light-grey swords (which I think might also
be the only basic minifigs swords made in ABS...and were really easy to snap the
blades off of). There are even a pair of light-grey TECHNIC pins. I'm not sure
if there even is a single Castle set that doesn't use grey parts at all.
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In lugnet.lego, Ronald Borchert wrote:
> I think, the survey is nonsense.
> LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> available.
I guess they'll have to stick to just doing Cool Blacktron (none of that Super-B
stuff)! Woohoo!. Well, they're kinda stuck on the Message Intercept Base...and
the Invader...and the Battrax (which all use LG pieces), and I can pass on the
Meteor Monitor (unless they fix the color scheme), but I can finally get the
Renegade that should have rightfully been mine as a small, deprived child...
*sniff*
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
What's the point of making LEGENDS sets if the principal issue about color
changes isn't addressed?
Sorry, Jake, but I truly don't care about anything LEGO produces until the
colors are back the way they were before 2004.
Terry
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In lugnet.lego, Jeff Barnas wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I think, the survey is nonsense.
> > LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> > available.
> >
> > Regards Ronald
>
> This is true. When I ordered the metroliner legend I was dissappointed to find
> that the girl hair with the pigtails was replaced with the long straight hair.
>
> Jeff
Not to mention the 10021 USS Constelation that had this piece:
http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/4070
instead of this:
http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/39
But surely the color change is a *lot* more serious issue and, me too, I don't
think the sentence 'rereleasing Legends' makes sense anymore :-(
Another disapointed customer,
Paulo Renato
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In lugnet.lego, Terry Prosper wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> > If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> > running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> > future LEGO Legends.
> >
> > Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
> >
> > http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > ---
> > Jake McKee
> > Community Liaison
> > LEGO Community Development
>
> What's the point of making LEGENDS sets if the principal issue about color
> changes isn't addressed?
>
> Sorry, Jake, but I truly don't care about anything LEGO produces until the
> colors are back the way they were before 2004.
>
> Terry
Same goes for me.
Paulo Renato
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Hi Jake,
I am a bit concerned at how useful this survey will be for legends. It seems to
be more focused on future theme ideas than individual sets for legends.
For Castle Legends -
Each Week at Classic-Castle.com we have weekly set reviews. I would encourage
these to be reviewed by LEGO employees because a select few sets are popular
across the board with Castle fans.
These include:
6062 Battering Ram - kids could complete their castle wall with the Black
Falcons Fortress and Guarded Inn
6060 Knight's Joust - A colorful and fun set that kids would love.
6040 Blacksmith Shop and 6042 Armor Shop - these shops would fit in well with
the existing legends
6080 King's Castle
6086 Black Knight's Castle
3739 Blacksmith Shop - we want more ;)
I think that castle fans would like to see a survey with 5-10 old sets and then
choose one of those to be a legend.
Ben E.
CC Sets Admin
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> Seriously, a DUPLO legend? Really? Honestly? Or are you giving me a hard
> time?
Oh, no, wouldn't dream of it. I was just listing a few things as examples for
why there weren't any Mindstorms sets listed. I currently own two DUPLO bricks.
One is the SW Celebration brick, and the other is the Northbrook Court Grand
Opening brick. The only other DUPLO brick that I have any interest in aquiring
at this point is the BIONICLE Blaster brick.
> And designer isn't a legend because... well... it just came out last year
> and is still on the shelves now. Hardly a candidate to re-release anything
> under it at this point.
Actually, that'd be a much better reason for why Mindstorms wasn't
listed...assuming it was just about Legends rereleases. The way it came across
really didn't seem like it referred to rereleasing old sets, though. It sounded
much more like it referred to bringing old themes back with completely new sets.
Castle listed LotR and fantasy elements that haven't been produced yet, and
Adventurers listed Greco-Roman architecture, which hasn't been done yet. One of
the top-level themes was simply a way to ask for a completely new theme to be
created.
> As far as TECHNIC, I can't say. But that's why there are options for filling
> in your own choices.
I had bigger priorities than asking for more TECHNIC sets. New sets are still
being produced, and I lean more towards the BIONICLE spectrum of things anyways.
Cool Blacktron, Ninja, Robin-Hood-Guys, and the idea of ancient Greco-Roman
anything are just too cool to pass up. (BTW, when Space lists Blacktron, it's
referring to Cool Blacktron, and not Super-B Blacktron, right?)
> > My big curiosity is why Aquanauts was listed under the Space theme and not
> > under the Aquazone theme that it originated.
>
> Mistake, I assume. My apologies.
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Aquanauts was listed under Space
before Aquazone was even added to the list, because the Aquazone choices seemed
pretty sparse (two specific sets for rerelease, and one really interesting new
theme idea about life near Black Smokers). There were about five different
Aquazone sub-themes that could have been listed there, but if there wasn't an
Aquazone theme to list them under, it would have been a bit excessive to post
more than one under Space.
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
I thought people might like to know what potential sub-themes were listed before
taking the survey:
ADVENTURERS
- Something from India
- What about an adventure in the Alps with skiing and helicopters
- Greek or Italian Archeological expedition. Ruins of ancient Greek or Italian
structures would be cool.
- I loved the old outback sets
- Add your own opinion
AQUAZONE
- Bring back the old Neptune Discovery Lab
- Deep Sea Refuge
- Design a new theme for deep sea where temperatures are 700 degrees and a whole
new life form exists
- Add your own opinion
CASTLE
- Lord of the Rings
- Ninja
- Fantasy theme like dragons, centaurs, dwarfs and mythical animals
- Black Knights
- King Leo's Castle
- Add your own opinion
PARADISA
- European style houses
- A beach house with a boat
- Flowers
- Add your own opinion
PIRATES
- The Black Pearl
- Vikings
- What about something modern like the Navy?
- Add your own opinion
SCULPTURES OR LARGE MODELS
- 1926 Packard
- Models of famous Castles around the world
- Large-scale LEGO Mini-figures
- Large detailed realistic buildings like a giant seaport, an office building, a
realistic fire station, a huge train station or a hospital
- The Titanic and other famous boats
- The White House and other national monuments
- Add your own opinion
SPACE
- Aquanauts
- Exploriens
- Classic Space
- Blacktron
- Add your own opinion
STAR WARS
- Sand Crawler with Jawas and droids
- Death star
- Tatooine
- Clone Trooper bust sculpture
- Ewok Village
- Add your own opinion
TOWN OR CITY
- Kits with multi-storied buildings electrified with lights, elevator, etc.
- The old monorail set
- Container ships
- Hospital
- A range of period homes - Tudor, Victorian, Georgian with new realistic
windows
- A LEGO airport
- What about a farm?
- More municipal buildings like cinemas, churches, bus stations, library,
supermarket, factory, etc.
- LEGO Boats - Fire boat
- Add your own opinion
TRAINS OR TRAIN SCULPTURES
- Railroad employees - engineers, conductors, maintenance and passengers. It
would be nice if there was a minifig set of railroad minfigs and a separate
minifig set of passengers
- Train Yard structures -- tool shed, water tower, sanding tower, yard tower,
etc.
- Union Pacific Freight Cars
- Chesapeake & Ohio wood caboose
- Bridges
- Southern Pacific (Black Widow)
- Maintenance of Way equipment should be added. Things like ballast spreaders,
tampers, more cranes and some more trucks would be good.
- Large scale, UCS style train display models
- Add your own opinion
WILD WEST
- Saloon/hotel, stagecoach, cabins and farms, early steam traction engines
(tractors), steam locomotives.
- Covered wagons
- Fort Legoredo
- Indian Villages and tools
- Add your own opinion
SOME OTHER ALL-NEW THEME
- Military - WWII
- Lord of the Rings
- Mythology
- Classics
- Add your own opinion
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In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Ley Ward wrote:
> > I tend to agree, though they COULD reissue the very first castle, you know,
> > the yellow one. ;-)
>
> Except it has light-grey plates used for walkways on the battlements, light grey
> helmets, a light-grey visor, light grey armor, light-grey shields, light-grey
> lances, light-grey battleaxes, and light-grey swords (which I think might also
> be the only basic minifigs swords made in ABS...and were really easy to snap the
> blades off of). There are even a pair of light-grey TECHNIC pins. I'm not sure
> if there even is a single Castle set that doesn't use grey parts at all.
Oops, um, nevermind. I should have checked a picture first. So, I started
thinking of legends I'd like to see and 565 Lunar Lander and 371 Sea Plane came
to mind, but they have gray jets and a gray propeller respectively. So, again,
nevermind.
Peace and dim recollections,
Professor Whateverly
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WHERE'S THE MINDSTORMS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
WHERE'S THE TECHNIC?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
If you are not going to list all the "core" themes to select from, at least
allow us to input our own like you did on some of the questions. Not once
did I see Technic or Mindstorms mentioned (among other "current" themes).
If Mindstorms dies, so will my devotion.
-Rob
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Jake,
I discovered the 'My Opinions' section of the Lego website because of your
message. I couldn't get there except through your link, I searched the Lego Club
but evidently not so well.
Once I got there I tried to do the surveys but in more than one I got stuck at
the same point.
It's funny, in the one about customer service, I got stuck and suddenly found
myself writing an e-mail to customer service about not being able to complete a
survey on customer service, a true paradox...
The reason I write now is precisely because I couldn't finish that one. Because
I really wanted to say what I was trying to say there, that there's not so much
need of a customer service in the traditional sense with Legos: Legos don't
brake, don't create problems for themselves or for their users, they are just
there, they wait.
The best Lego customer service that could have ever existed already exists, and
can be found at www.bricklink.com, if you know what I mean...
Nicolas D'Angelo
http://www.mocpages.com/home.php/613?r=1812057607
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Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
Besides the "MyOpinions" site being all but visible, I daresay the most
successful legend could be the return of the old colours.
Nuff said.
Christian
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In lugnet.lego, Ley Ward wrote:
> So, I started
> thinking of legends I'd like to see and 565 Lunar Lander and 371 Sea Plane came
> to mind, but they have gray jets and a gray propeller respectively. So, again,
> nevermind.
I'd love to see 565 Lunar Lander re-released as a legend!!! I'm sure that people would buy it as a legend and as a source of blue pieces (lots of slopes).
That was my very first "big" LEGO set. The first set was a very small front end
loader, who's name and number escapes me.
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In lugnet.lego, Jeff Barnas wrote:
>
> This is true. When I ordered the metroliner legend I was dissappointed to find
> that the girl hair with the pigtails was replaced with the long straight hair.
Who cares. As long as AFOL's document what's different, we can discuss such
things here before people spend the money on something thay may, or may not
want.
Also, if it bothers you that much, why not buy the "girl hair with the pigtails"
from Bricklink? This would seem to be a small price to pay to make the set
"more authentic".
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
It's a shame Lego is still ignoring the color question. I was drawen back into
the hobby by the realism of the Santa Fe. This model would have looked absurd in
blue grey. The ISD would be an absolute eye-sore in blue grey. Any new theme
developed is going to suffer if the appropriate color is not used.
I know Lego's excuse is that this is for the kids. At a recent train show one
of my fellow club members was talking to a young boy who was the quintesential
Lego maniac. When the topic of SW Minis came up he asked him what he thought of
the "new greys". The boy responded, "I don't know, I'm confused". I think that
sums it up perfectly.-Ken
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Even Classic Space could be rereleased
> in the new light gray rather than the old.
ARGHH!! Blasphemy!!! My spine!!!
(passes out)
--Dave
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Who cares? Who wants to see a 497(928) Galaxy Explorer in blueish Gray?
Pointless.
Besides, where is Technic in the category?
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In lugnet.lego, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
> Hi Jake,
>
> I am a bit concerned at how useful this survey will be for legends. It seems to
> be more focused on future theme ideas than individual sets for legends.
>
> For Castle Legends -
>
> Each Week at Classic-Castle.com we have weekly set reviews. I would encourage
> these to be reviewed by LEGO employees because a select few sets are popular
> across the board with Castle fans.
>
> These include:
>
> 6062 Battering Ram - kids could complete their castle wall with the Black
> Falcons Fortress and Guarded Inn
> 6060 Knight's Joust - A colorful and fun set that kids would love.
> 6040 Blacksmith Shop and 6042 Armor Shop - these shops would fit in well with
> the existing legends
> 6080 King's Castle
> 6086 Black Knight's Castle
> 3739 Blacksmith Shop - we want more ;)
>
> I think that castle fans would like to see a survey with 5-10 old sets and then
> choose one of those to be a legend.
>
> Ben E.
> CC Sets Admin
I too noticed that there is an emphasis on new themes or new sets in old themes
rather than 'legends' per say. If someone wants info on th what AFOLS would
like to see, can't you just got throught he lugnet set database and find the
highly ranked ones. Some really stand out. Granted not all folks have been
through there or very comprehensively, but still seems helpful. Also could you
monitor ebay sales somehow.. see what sets get the most bid and so forth?
Then again, maybe they do this.
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In lugnet.lego, Ronald Borchert wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I think, the survey is nonsense.
> LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> available.
>
> Regards Ronald
I have to agree - if the colors aren't the same, or if the pieces are
significantly different (like substituting 1x1 brick with headlight for 1x1
window, as noted earlier), then it's not a reissue, but a reinterpretation.
$0.02
James Wilson
Dallas, TX
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No Jake,
we don't need discoloured legends!
I don't need and won't buy any discoloured LEGO sets.
I will not participate in the session for this reason!
Let me remind you: There is an open question here:
WHEN will LEGO bring back the old colours!
WE are the customers!
Dirk
"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HuqKBC.sE7@lugnet.com...
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're • currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for • possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
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If you haven’t noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we’re currently
running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
future LEGO Legends.
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I really, really want to see the results of this one! As more suggestions
get added by other respondents it becomes a more complete representation of what
we are thinking, but without completing it again (which would be cheating) you
can’t get to see what people who came after you suggested. Is there any way you
can share the whole list of suggestions when this one is over Jake?
Psi
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This one time, Stephane Simard wrote:
> Who cares? Who wants to see a 497(928) Galaxy Explorer in blueish Gray?
> Pointless.
Word. I love how TLC just ignores how AFOLs feel about seeing their
classic sets in the blueish gray.
Until they address it, i will not purchase anything new from TLC.
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Hi Ben!
> I am a bit concerned at how useful this survey will be for legends. It seems to
> be more focused on future theme ideas than individual sets for legends.
If this was their intention I'd be glad!
(Hey, you know my opinion regarding the whole idea "Legends" ;)
Though I was even gladder if every future releases would be in the old colours.
Bye
Jojo
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Sorry Jake - Without the classic colors there can't be any classic re-releases.
At least nothing that I would spend any money on.
thanks,
mark
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Ice Planet 2002, perhaps a set like 6973 Deep Freeze Defender.
I already own a 6973 (or more specificly enough parts to build one plus a
set of instructions but some of the parts are from other sets I own) plus
all the other Ice Planet sets except a 6983.
However, if TLC was to re-issue any Ice Planet 2002 set, I would definatly
buy it.
The best bit is that the only grey parts in the sets are:
the technic pin
the technic axle pin
the 2 x 2 turntable top
and the technic engine connecting rod
The 6973 only has one part in the "replaced" colors, its a light grey
technic axle pin without friction.
So, even the most ardent "new color haters" can get one :)
My personal wish would be for a re-issue of 6983 Ice Station Odyssey (since
I dont own one and would like to) but there are too many parts in there
that TLC may not have anymore (the rack parts, the baseplate, the orange
corner panels and probobly others). Most of the parts in the 6973 have been
used recently enough that its likely TLC can still make them.
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I keep a 2x3 plate in my pocket with in three different 1x2 dark gray
plates affixed. This shows the colors better than my camera can.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=73033
My take is the SW MINIs suffered from the same quality issue affecting
the purple HP bus. The left one is a classic yellowish dark gray plate.
On the other end is a bluish dark gray plate from a SW MINI set. The
middle neutral color is likely what LEGO intended as the replacement.
The middle color appears spectrally neutral to me. I have not confirmed
the set this variation was found in. It could be from the problematic
fireboat set (pulled from store shelves because the polybag with minifig
legs was not included in the box.)
The 4492 MINI ISD should look awful beside the 10030 ISD but the reverse
seems to be true. The MINI looks bright and shiny and the 3 foot long
model looks jaundiced when placed beside the little one. Here is a
picture of my bedroom:
http://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=680312
My main beef is people look at the big one and say "WOW" then they look
at the little one and say "neat." The the eyes glance from one to the
other a few times and finally something like "The big one looks awfully
yellow."
Dark gray is heavily influenced by the lighting as to whether it looks
good or bad. I pull out my 2x3 plate every time I enter a different
lighting situation. Under incandescent lighting (60W,) old yellow dark
gray looks the best and the neutral color actually appears purple.
Halogen lighting and natural sunlight make the neutral color look
fabulous and clearly shows the blue and yellow variants for what they
are. Note that a slight change in cloud cover on a sunny day can
drastically alter your perception.
While walking to work one day this week. I was holding my brick as a
cloud passed in front of the sun. I could not believe the perceived
color shift as it kept changing as the cloud went from a few wisps to a
thick mass between me and the sun. I stared at my brick through many
cloud transitions that morning trying to decide which color I liked the
best. Maybe those who complain the loudest about the new colors never
see their bricks while the sun is up. A building room in the basement
is a sure fire way to convince yourself how bad the new variations are.
Sorting the bricks is also a heck of a lot easier under halogen
lighting. Or sunlight if you are so fortunate. I play with the kids
bricks during the day and my own after they are in bed.
The bottom line is there are three dark grays (at least) to work with
and each is better depending on how it will be lit while on display. I
have yet to view my brick under mercury or sodium lighting, the kind used
in arenas where most train shows are held.
Truth be told, I like the new light gray and actually prefer it. That
said, I have spent several thousand since November stockpiling the
three classic colors via tubs, Harry Potter, Star Wars and Studios sets
and Pick-A-Brick.
I have not seen the new light brown yet. I have been using all
available funds to purchase old bricks which will not be around much
longer. The new SW (Greedo), HP (shrieking shack), and Spidey (Doc Oak)
look excellent and I will likely get several of each but they can wait
until my funds replenish. If only some more sets with 1x16 technic
beams would be released... Then again this could be good. I have
already exceeded my LEGO budget for the year and it is barely March.
SW MINIs and X-pods are all I have for 2004 but the new S@H exclusive
bulk packs announced today will definitely be ordered this week.
Doug
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In lugnet.lego, James Wilson wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Ronald Borchert wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I think, the survey is nonsense.
> > LEGO cannot produce any more legends, because the colors needed are no more
> > available.
> >
> > Regards Ronald
>
> I have to agree - if the colors aren't the same, or if the pieces are
> significantly different (like substituting 1x1 brick with headlight for 1x1
> window, as noted earlier), then it's not a reissue, but a reinterpretation.
>
> $0.02
> James Wilson
> Dallas, TX
I have to wonder why people are spotlighting Ronald's post. Precise reissues
aren't going to happen for older sets anyway.
In any case, I wouldn't buy a reissue of the yellow castle. Accurate? So what?
It would still be bright yellow. Sand red, tan, sand green, all would be fine.
Reinterpretation? So what? I'd buy it whereas I wouldn't buy the other.
Since I have stated that opinion before numerous times, why should a slight
variation in gray change my mind about it being a Legend? Now, it may be a less
useful Legend, just as I see an accurate Yellow castle a less useful re-release
no matter how accurate.
-->Bruce<--
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In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> Ice Planet 2002, perhaps a set like 6973 Deep Freeze Defender.
> I already own a 6973 (or more specificly enough parts to build one plus a
> set of instructions but some of the parts are from other sets I own) plus
> all the other Ice Planet sets except a 6983.
> However, if TLC was to re-issue any Ice Planet 2002 set, I would definatly
> buy it.
>
> The best bit is that the only grey parts in the sets are:
> the technic pin
> the technic axle pin
> the 2 x 2 turntable top
> and the technic engine connecting rod
>
> The 6973 only has one part in the "replaced" colors, its a light grey
> technic axle pin without friction.
>
> So, even the most ardent "new color haters" can get one :)
>
> My personal wish would be for a re-issue of 6983 Ice Station Odyssey (since
> I dont own one and would like to) but there are too many parts in there
> that TLC may not have anymore (the rack parts, the baseplate, the orange
> corner panels and probobly others). Most of the parts in the 6973 have been
> used recently enough that its likely TLC can still make them.
How about the Blacktron Battrax? The only grey parts in it are technic axles
and pins :) I'd buy at least a couple of the Battrax if it were reissued. It
is my favorite old space set after the 6950. Mmm...Blacktron...
Adrian
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Personally, I would prefer a Renegade or an Invader to a Battrax.
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In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> Personally, I would prefer a Renegade or an Invader to a Battrax.
Alright, how about the whole line then? Bring back Classic Blacktron!
Adrian
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> I too noticed that there is an emphasis on new themes or new sets in old themes
> rather than 'legends' per say. If someone wants info on th what AFOLS would
> like to see, can't you just got throught he lugnet set database and find the
> highly ranked ones.
However... the set database is what I would call "highly subjective". Yes,
there are a few sets that are generally favorable to
others, however some "haters" have deliberately given sets below 50 rating in
order for their favorite sets to make it to the top.
> Some really stand out. Granted not all folks have been
> through there or very comprehensively, but still seems helpful. Also could you
> monitor ebay sales somehow.. see what sets get the most bid and so forth?
>
> Then again, maybe they do this.
I think this is why the Guarded Inn was made the first Legend. Lego wanted
to cash in on the secondary market... why not rerelease some of their more
popular sets from the past to rekindle interest...
Why not do what they did last time, and give another list of 5 or so Legends
they are contemplating on issueing out, and let us vote again.
Ben Medinets
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Thanks...I was very anxious when Lego was going to open up and allow some
fan-input for the future Legends.
However, I was hoping for another 5 or 6 potential legends that we could vote
on.
To me, all this input is for the future of the company which in my opinion
feels like they are out of ideas and need some interesting viable ideas for
their future product lines.
I think it is cool to have us give our opinions, however, there are still some
very much unresolved issues...
a) like REAL bulk
b) having nearly all of the current Legends being sold out (says to me poor
production planning)
c) the color-issues
d) quality issue regarding the color issue (eg - knight bus)
just some thoughts to think about...
Benjamin Medinets
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Well, it wasn't in the list, but if you want a true 'legend' from the past that
shouldn't be too difficult to do, here's my favourite set pre-1979--
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/357_1
Seriously.
It's a beautiful set in its simplicity and elagance. I'm sure the tires are
adaptable, the headlight bricks can be stickers, and the ladder--well, whatever
production ladder can be substituted.
It's a relatively 'small' set with lotsa basic pieces, and is going waaaaaay
back to the early '70's--to me this is more 'Legend' than any other set offered.
imho
Dave K
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I wouldn't mind seeing the first set I ever got as a child...
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/485_1
I still have 2 of the figs that came with it!
Jeff
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Subject: So ya want a 'Legend', eh? was Re: More opinions needed -
possible future Legends
In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're • currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for • possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
Well, it wasn't in the list, but if you want a true 'legend' from the past
that
shouldn't be too difficult to do, here's my favourite set pre-1979--
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/357_1
Seriously.
It's a beautiful set in its simplicity and elagance. I'm sure the tires are
adaptable, the headlight bricks can be stickers, and the ladder--well,
whatever
production ladder can be substituted.
It's a relatively 'small' set with lotsa basic pieces, and is going waaaaaay
back to the early '70's--to me this is more 'Legend' than any other set
offered.
imho
Dave K
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In lugnet.lego, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
>
> I have to wonder why people are spotlighting Ronald's post. Precise reissues
> aren't going to happen for older sets anyway.
Because he seems to have captured how they feel about the color issue as it
affects Legends releses. Can't be a reissue if it's significantly different.
Call it something else.
> In any case, I wouldn't buy a reissue of the yellow castle. Accurate? So what?
> It would still be bright yellow. Sand red, tan, sand green, all would be fine.
> Reinterpretation? So what? I'd buy it whereas I wouldn't buy the other.
>
> Since I have stated that opinion before numerous times, why should a slight
> variation in gray change my mind about it being a Legend? Now, it may be a less
> useful Legend, just as I see an accurate Yellow castle a less useful re-release
> no matter how accurate.
>
> -->Bruce<--
If Ford Motor Company decided to "reissue" the Model T, would you buy one? How
about if it weren't available in its original color, black, but some blue-black
color that was never used in the original. Would the slight variation in color
change your mind?
James Wilson
Dallas, TX
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In lugnet.lego, David Koudys wrote:
> Well, it wasn't in the list, but if you want a true 'legend' from the past that
> shouldn't be too difficult to do, here's my favourite set pre-1979--
>
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/357_1
>
> Seriously.
>
> It's a beautiful set in its simplicity and elagance. I'm sure the tires are
> adaptable, the headlight bricks can be stickers, and the ladder--well, whatever
> production ladder can be substituted.
>
> It's a relatively 'small' set with lotsa basic pieces, and is going waaaaaay
> back to the early '70's--to me this is more 'Legend' than any other set offered.
>
> imho
>
> Dave K
I'm with you on that, Dave. That was my first big set (not counting the
collections of bricks) and I remember it fondly. Those 1 x 8 arches were a major
step in the architecture department, and opened up many possibilities.
I would also suggest http://guide.lugnet.com/set/370 the police headquarters.
But here's the point for me: I'd like to see the original pieces, not
substitutes. I'm thinking of the ladder in the Fire Station and those clear
doors in set 370. And, of course, the antennae in both. This is part of their
legendary appeal for me. Those who missed out the first time should have the
chance to have some of these. I still have my collection and my nephews, nieces
and grandson are always amazed at the old pieces and want to know where they can
get them.
Anyway, I know this is veering into pipedream land and the cost of reproducing
those parts is surely prohibitive, but we can still dream....
Peace and reminiscence,
Professor Whateverly
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In lugnet.lego, Jeff Findley wrote:
> I'd love to see 565 Lunar Lander re-released as a legend!!! I'm sure that people would buy it as a legend and as a source of blue pieces (lots of slopes).
>
> That was my very first "big" LEGO set. The first set was a very small front end
> loader, who's name and number escapes me.
Probably http://guide.lugnet.com/set/614 - I have one too.
Funny you should mention a source of blue pieces. By the time 565 and 371 came
out, I had a paper route and thus a steady supply of disposable income, so I
bought respectively 3 and 4 of each as a source of blue pieces. Those arches and
double concave slopes (not to mention all the bricks) were just what I needed
for castles etc. (I'll be posting pics of the last one soon.)
Peace and legends,
Professor Whateverly
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> substitutes. I'm thinking of the ladder in the Fire Station and those clear
> doors in set 370. And, of course, the antennae in both. This is part of their
That door piece was used as recently as the re-issue of the Fort Legoredo
so its definatly within the relms of possibilitiy.
But, there are other parts in that set that make it less likely to re-appear:
the "TV" antenna
the baseplate (dont know if they could still make 24x40 size or if they
could put the dots on it)
the brick 2 x 2 with wheels
the 1 x 3 x 4 door + frame
the armless figures (would you want regular figs instead?)
and a few others
Anyhow, I am sure there are plenty of sets out there that dont use grey/dk
grey/brown or only use them in a few small places.
Even in classic space there are sets with next-to-no grey (like the 6881
Lunar Rocket Launcher sitting on the desk in front of me :)
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In lugnet.lego, James Wilson wrote:
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If Ford Motor Company decided to “reissue” the Model T, would you buy one? >
How about if it weren’t available in its original color, black, but some
blue-black color that was never used in the original. Would the slight
variation in color change your mind?
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Wow! A great example. A classic space set, or any other legend, would not be
the same in bley.
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Yep, one of my all-time favorites. One of the few intact sets from my childhood
- I actually found the set {completely built} in my old tubs. I don't have the
box, but I think I still even have the instructions.
I had it displayed on our bookshelves in our old apt, can't wait to build a
house so I can unpack it (and my other display Lego).
BTW, my first set was the Velveeta set ;-) I bought one off of Ebay a couple
years ago, just for posterity.
Jeffrey Shaw wrote:
> I wouldn't mind seeing the first set I ever got as a child...
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/485_1
>
> I still have 2 of the figs that came with it!
--
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
I have only one wish: Bring the "old" colours back. I can make my own legends if
I want to, but not without the old grey and brown.
did you ever see a blueish-grey castle?
Ridiculous!
Leo
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote:
> If you haven't noticed it on the LEGO MyOpinions site already, we're currently
> running a session to get some feedback on the most desired sets for possible
> future LEGO Legends.
>
> Head over to MyOpinions or go straight to the survey here:
>
> http://dialogue.informative.com/lego/directExclusivesWeb
>
> Have fun!
>
> Jake
>
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
First of all - address and repair the color issue, then we'll talk about some
potential Legends. I really don't want Legends reissued in the horrible new
colors.
Max
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In lugnet.lego, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
> Jake,
>
> When running these types of surveys, it might help to run them in two phases,
> due to the way you ask people to add their own responses.
>
> For instance, under "castle" your survey then goes on to ask "what type", and
> gave the options "Black Knights", "Lord of the Rings", "Fantasy theme like
> centaurs, dwarfs, mythical animals", "Ninja", and "King Leo's Castle", plus the
> add your own option. Imagine six people vote. I added something like "modular
> castles (see 80's sets)", but suppose someone else added "sets like 6041" and
> another person said "sets in the style of Legoland Castle", and another person
> said "Things like the Guarded Inn". We'd all be asking for essentially the same
> thing, but if two people voted for "Ninja", it would look like more people want
> Ninja than anything else.
I know exactly what you mean! Couldn't agree more with you, mr. Hietbrink!
After taking the survey last Friday, I went back today to see if more people
might have choosen one of the options I suggested.
Now I see that most of the suggestions I made are totally disappeared! One of
them was the suggestion for the release of a Jabba's Sailbarge set (under the
Star Wars sections of course) and it has been replaced by someone else's
suggestion for *the same set*, only put *in other words*! Therefore it has
dropped to the 10th place of suggestions, while obviously more people wish to
see a set like this released...
...I'm afraid this works (or *doesn't work* actually...) in the same way
throughout the entire survey!
In the end TLC receives a lot of feedback and suggestions, in Top10 order, but I
doubt if it will still be representative for the wishes of it's customers...
Just a Dutch lurker's 2 cents.
P.S.1. In case I'm wrong, that is if in the end all similar votes/suggestions
will be added to eachother before counting (in the believe and hope that TLC
actually *will* do *something* with the community's input) then I really wonder
how the survey system keeps track of this, cause I couldn't find any survey
explanation on this particular matter...
P.S.2. I do not desperately need an officially released Sail Barge set (if that
is what my message *might* imply to some people...)
Just took that as an example for explaining my matter.
Oh, and eh, I must say I'm glad I'm Space complete, cause a Classic Space Legend
in new lightgray just wouldn't be a Legend no more!
(I'm sorry if this sounds a bit conceited or sore. No harm intended; I'm happy
with the new SW sets -despite some of it's colors-!)
Nevertheless, thanks to Jake for his ongoing efforts to support the community!
(I think the bricks & plates packs are obvious evidence of Jake's possibilities
within The company...it's a -small- turn into the right direction!)
Erik
(Lugnet member 1386)
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> Same goes for me.
And me. My policy is not to buy any sets that contain the new colours...
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In lugnet.lego, Dave Lovelace wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > Even Classic Space could be rereleased
> > in the new light gray rather than the old.
>
> ARGHH!! Blasphemy!!! My spine!!!
>
> (passes out)
>
> --Dave
LOL! (And could somebody please call 911 for mr. Lovelace?!)
Erik B (from Holland; calling 911 myself won't work for Dave :-| )
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In lugnet.lego, James Wilson wrote:
>
> If Ford Motor Company decided to "reissue" the Model T, would you buy one? How
> about if it weren't available in its original color, black, but some blue-black
> color that was never used in the original. Would the slight variation in color
> change your mind?
>
> James Wilson
> Dallas, TX
It seems to have worked for the rerelease of the "VW Bug"..... :)
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In lugnet.lego, Tom Dickson wrote:
> It seems to have worked for the rerelease of the "VW Bug"..... :)
Considering the fact that the last old-style VW Beetle didn't roll off the line
until late last year, technically the new Beetle isn't a rerelease. :)
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In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Tom Dickson wrote:
> > It seems to have worked for the rerelease of the "VW Bug"..... :)
>
> Considering the fact that the last old-style VW Beetle didn't roll off the line
> until late last year, technically the new Beetle isn't a rerelease. :)
IIRC, VW stopped making the old Beetle in 1978. The factory I think you're
referring to is one in Mexico. Local managers bought it from the company, since
there was a mucher higher demand there than elsewhere for the bug.
Somehow I don't think that TLC would let any group of fans buy out a factory,
though.
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In lugnet.lego, Jason Catena wrote:
> IIRC, VW stopped making the old Beetle in 1978.
They stopped production in Germany at that time, but they didn't stop production
entirely. They'd still be making them in Mexico if it wasn't for the government
working to phase out 2-door taxi cabs, and reducing tarrifs on imports (after
all, now you can buy an imported 4-door with AC and airbags for about the same
price as a domesticly produced original Beetle).
> The factory I think you're referring to is one in Mexico. Local managers
> bought it from the company, since there was a mucher higher demand there
> than elsewhere for the bug.
The Puebla, Mexico plant is still run by Volkswagon. They still produce the
Jetta and the new Beetle. I'm not sure where you heard that they sold off the
plant.
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