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Re: LEGO Inspired Fonts For Macintosh And Windows
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Fri, 18 May 2001 15:51:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> You, in this case, asked for input. I gave it. Sorry that the input you
> asked for wasn't what you wanted to hear.
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> Surely you don't think that because TLC did not ask for our input (about
> their site, their products, etc.) that we should not give it anyway? Are you
> actually saying that our only choices are to either partake silently or turn
> away with no comment whatsoever? Surely that's not what you meant.
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> I'm from the school that the person putting up the money (to do something
> like host a site) can take or leave the comments and has the final say. But
> I'm NOT from the school that feels that person is the only person who has
> any valuable input. Users DO know things about their environment and about
> how they want to interact with it.
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> This user, this customer, this whatever.... this person feels fixed size
> sites are wrong. And has explained why. Take or leave that input as you would.
>
> But don't ask for input and then when you get input that shows you are
> incorrect in your viewpoint, claim that you didn't ask.
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> > > > And so far, I'm happy with the results *as a designer*. Now, as
> > > > users, what do others think? Well, that's why I wrote this little rant. What
> > > > do YOU think?
> > >
> > > You are incorrect, sir. See above.
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> > I'm incorrect in being happy with the results myself? Confirm if you would
> > please.
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> Yes, you are incorrect in being happy with your results unless you do not
> care at all what your users think, in which case you are correct in being happy.
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> I'm pretty satisfied, based on the level of demand for my services, that my
> approach is correct. All viewpoints should be considered but the end user,
> who has to live with the system, needs to get a large voice in the process.
> An overriding one unless there are much stronger constraints. That's for
> commercial systems and sites, of course, not fan sites. But the principles,
> though greatly weakened, still apply.
Larry, you are truly the master of attributing your words and ideas to the
wants/needs/desires/thoughts/etc. of others. If you have taken anything I
have written here personally, I apologize. However, if you will recall where
this started, I VERY SPECIFICALLY STATED MULTIPLE TIMES that this was meant
as a general discussion, no specifics involved. Not my site, not your site,
just the World Wide Web in general. Users and designers. That's it. Not a
critique of my (admitedly flawed but heavily disclaimed as extremely
temporary) site. Not your business savvy (which you seem to try and flaunt
often), business model, or client relations (and not just in this thread).
Much more to the point, I don't care one iota if you think you are 'right'
here...I never intended to see a 'right' or 'wrong' in this discussion. Just
discussion.
That having been said, if you still need to be 'right' here...you win. I'm
bored with the typing. I'm sure we'll see more on this, but not from me, not
right now.
Matt
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| (...) Not sure what you mean by that and not going to dig into it but it doesn't sound right to me. (...) I'm not taking anything personally, and I hope you aren't either. So I'm not insulted. What I am, however, is *confused* about where you are (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| (...) You, in this case, asked for input. I gave it. Sorry that the input you asked for wasn't what you wanted to hear. But more importantly, there is value in complaining about things to the owners, even if that complaint is unsolicited. I complain (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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