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Re: LEGO Inspired Fonts For Macintosh And Windows
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Fri, 18 May 2001 13:49:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.general, Matthew Gerber writes:
> > In lugnet.general, Johannes Keukelaar writes:
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> > > <pet-peeve>
> > > Please leave the size of my browser window alone! I'll determine how
> > > large I want the window to be. That is a very _rude_ bit of
> > > javascript.
> > > </pet-peeve>]
> >
> > Now that's an interesting point. Do you often complain to book, magazine or
> > newspaper publishers about the physical size of their offerings? Would you
> > turn down a brochure about something you find really interesting because it
> > was printed on legal rather than letter size paper?
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> Different medium. You are "printing" on my machine, not your own paper. That
> said, yes, I would (and have, and will) turn down physical things that were
> inappropriately sized.
Ah, but no one is forcing you to view the material! You make a concious
decision to partake of what is offered.
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> > I created my site the way I wanted it to be. I determined that I would like
> > to make the size of my pages a certain width and height to be most readable
> > and pleasing to my, and hopefully others, eyes. I've done this with other
> > sites, and will do it again.
>
> I used to have this viewpoint as well, then I realised that I had the
> relationship between the designer and customer all wrong. As the designer I
> should not dictate to a customer how things ought to be done. Instead, I
> should make my site work well at a variety of sizes. Now, that may mean that
> when resized, text reflows in a way that is not always perfectly pleasing
> but so be it.
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> I won't hold up my old work as an example but my more recent work operates
> adequately at 640x480 and takes advantage of larger real estate when it is
> made available, but does not have the arrogant presumption to assume that I
> know better than the customer what is desired.
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> > In my mind, it all comes down to the designer's eye, what the creator wants
> > to get across visually. I personally HATE either all of the extra space left
> > on the right side of my screen when I go to a site that is designed smaller
> > than the last one I was at, and HATE EVEN MORE having to constantly click
> > the expand box to get the full scope of a site that is bigger than the last
> > one I was at. I'm constantly resizing the darn window, ya' know?
>
> Both of those sites are flawed in that they are using fixed layout instead
> of using the ability of the browser to reflow material. You should be
> complaining to the designers instead of crippling the browser even more in
> your own work.
Here again though, I have chosen to participate, and should live with what
is offered-their vision of what their site should be! I don't complain when
IT IS NOT MY PLACE TO DO SO.
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> I immediately resized your site, and you're right, it did look bad at a
> larger width, because you aren't using tables, width=% and all the other
> standard tricks to cope with dynamic sizing, you're just stuck at a fixed width.
>
> > When I ran across this JavaScript, I thought "Hey! Now THAT'S useful!".
>
> And I thought "Hey! Now THAT'S obnoxious!".
>
> > So I
> > used it. And so far, I'm happy with the results *as a designer*. Now, as
> > users, what do others think? Well, that's why I wrote this little rant. What
> > do YOU think?
>
> You are incorrect, sir. See above.
I'm incorrect in being happy with the results myself? Confirm if you would
please.
>
> However you can get away with it better at a fan site than you can in real
> life. Designers that work on my commercial projects do not get a free hand
> to do as they see fit artistically, they are strongly reminded who the
> customer is and why the customer is usually right and why the customer needs
> to be catered to instead of dictated to.
Yes, but the whole reason a customer (when did we get into customers instead
of users anyway?) seeks a professional is to get what they themselves cannot
acheive. While you may earn business by fawning, you will build lasting
relationships by partnering. If a design client comes to me with their whole
project done in their head, I'm just meat with know-how. If they come
seeking advice and want to work WITH me, I'm a professional. But this seems
off topic here, so I'll stop now.
Matt
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| (...) You, in this case, asked for input. I gave it. Sorry that the input you asked for wasn't what you wanted to hear. But more importantly, there is value in complaining about things to the owners, even if that complaint is unsolicited. I complain (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
| | | Re: LEGO Inspired Fonts For Macintosh And Windows
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| (...) Personally, I made a conscious decision to check out your site out of interest and support for a fellow AFOL. Its a trust relationship between developer and user. You abuse my trust when you invite me into your domain and then monkey with my (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
| | | Re: LEGO Inspired Fonts For Macintosh And Windows
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| (...) Yes, which is why it's so easy for me to leave and not come back once I realize a site is monkeying with my browser settings. I went and looked at your site. Wonderful fonts! Those are just toooo coool. I think they'd be great to make graphics (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| (...) Different medium. You are "printing" on my machine, not your own paper. That said, yes, I would (and have, and will) turn down physical things that were inappropriately sized. (...) I used to have this viewpoint as well, then I realised that I (...) (24 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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