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Re: Excellent news!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:34:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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Since I dragged Bruce back into this, I’ll field the question for him (though
he’s welcome to refute or add to it, of course!)
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Assure me that everyone ever executed was guilty and I’ll agree to the
death penalty. If not, then we have murdered the innocent in the name
of justice.
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So let me get this straight-- is it conditional for me to prove that everyone
ever executed actually committed their crimes and then you’ll agree to the
death penalty?
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Of course not! The execution of a person who has been rendered harmless is
indistinguishable from coldblooded murder. My point in linking to those
articles (one of which now appears unlinked, alas) is to show that the execution
of potentially innocent people is nothing like the “it never happens” assertion
put forth by advocates death penalty.
I should hope that everyone who is scheduled for execution actually
committed the crimes of which they’re convicted. That would seem the minimal
requirement for the death penalty. Do you think otherwise?
And even if we eliminate the accidental(?) execution of innocent people, the
death penalty is still an ugly throwback to our not-so-distant barbaric past and
should be abolished as the savage, government-sanctioned murder that it really
is.
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What about the fate of a man who kills 5 women and children during a botched
bank robbery where he is captured at the scene. Presumably, then, you feel
comfortable enough to execute him?
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Of course not! If he’s rendered harmless (ie., he’s captured, then there is
no justification for murdering him. Well, other than raw vengeance, which is no
justification at all.
Dave!
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) I reject your equivocation. In one case, the victim is an innocent, and in the other the "victim" is a coldblooded murderer. Being rendered "harmless" does in no way make a person "blameless". (...) No system is perfect. To criticize otherwise (...) (18 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) So let me get this straight-- is it conditional for me to prove that everyone ever executed actually committed their crimes and then you’ll agree to the death penalty? What about the fate of a man who kills 5 women and children during a (...) (18 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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