Debate : 16955


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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) It's not baloney. What gets my undies in a bunch is when ignorant people group *all* Christians together. Because one sorely misguided wacko such as Andrea Yates, who claims to be a Christian offs all of her kids, that must mean that *ALL* (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) Can you not see the contradiction you're broadcasting? You are constantly sputtering about "athiests" and "leftists" as if either group can be painted with a single brush, but then you get your undies in a bunch when people applie your own (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) Back up there, schoolboy. Atheists *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- no belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single common belief among *all* Christians, short of their (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) Easy there, zealot. (...) How about an alleged belief in Christ? That seems like a binding factor that unites Andrea Yates, Torquemada, Emperor Constantine, David Koresh, Mother Theresa, and Padre Pio, regardless of the different (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) :-) Mine was a wordplay on "Schuler". The dirty dealer meant no harm... (...) Belief in *what exactly* about Christ? This is an extremely contentious issue among Christians. (...) Dave!! That is what *RM* did to Christianity, Jews, and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) Okay, I withdraw my sharp rejoinder. But I hasten to add that it may be unwise to engage in name-based wordplay if one's name is John. (...) Well, it would seem to me that a professed Xtian would have to believe, at least nominally, in the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) In loo of that point I see if I can refrain. (...) You are wrong. Maybe more on that later. (...) At this point it wouldn't matter. The resurrection is a faith-based event. (...) *I* am the one who ironically brought the atheists into the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) Please do clarify. In the absence of a unifying belief, we're back to the point of saying "Xtians are those who say they're Xtians." Are you comfortable with that categorization? You and Mr. Koresh and Ms. Yates and Mr. Buchannan and Mr. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) The nature of Jesus: God or man? Man or God? The early church struggled with this question and came up with a seemingly impossible conclusion: fully man AND fully God. The meaning or understanding of this is impossible and has led to many (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Richard Marchetti

Dave! and all: I ask that you stop responding to John Neal's posts. I can't see that there is any good in it. I just hope that the members of other countries that may see Neal's excretory texts realize that his is only one kind of minority view in (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Maggie Cambron

(...) No, of course not. Not for a country whose citizens voted George W. Bush into office. Maggie C. (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) What country would that be? Bruce (pointing out that the citizens of the U.S.A. rejected George Bush....) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) No way, Bruce! One man, one vote, and Scalia was that one man. Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Actually, I'd say that one man was George the Elder's selection providing payback: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Richard Marchetti

(...) Are you pointing out the fact that there is considerable evidence that the Florida election was fixed, Bruce? Cuz, I tend to believe this is true -- although most people have lost interest in the subject. I guess it's good to have family in (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) No, I'm saying the *people* of the United States voted for The Other Guy. Dubya lost by that measure. He's President because the people don't actually get to vote directly for the President, though it is expressed that way. That Dubya couldn't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) This is all a joke, right? You people have gotten over the election and have moved on, right? I only ask because there are those who *still* fume about it... (Not that there's anything *wrong* with that!) [1] -John [1] My new (borrowed), (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) There's a joke in there, alright, trouble is, it's in the White House! :-) Do you mean was I joking? No, of course not. Are you saying Uncle Tom Thomas isn't an unthinking bag man for the conservatives? Are you saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Koudys

(...) And yet, he's the prez... Don't ever say that the US *upholds* democracy above all else--a piece of paper trumped the will of the people. And, from my vague recollections of poli-sci 101, the US isn't even a democracy, in its purest form--not (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) And yet, my comment to Maggie still stands. :-) (...) To switch devil advocate sides: the piece of paper is the will of the people. We can change it if we don't like it (political inertia may make it difficult, but if we perceive it to be that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dave Schuler

(...) Let's see... Chiarascurro is a dog-sized rodent native to South America, and Trompe L'oiel is that crazy circus with the uber-limber Thai contortionists, right? Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —James Brown

(...) No, that's a Chihuahua. Or is that the rodent-sized dog? I always get those mixed up. James (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) no, no, no. You two are talking about the *Chupacabra*: (URL) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Chris ;-) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) D'oh, I left myself open because I forgot my parenthetical disclaimer! (Not that there's anything *wrong* with people who forget things) ;-) John (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) I'm throwing pearls before Capybara, I tell ya! I'll render hue to pieces. Aintchya got any value? Ya tone deaf? Are you art critics or impastos? Your oily opinions are water-based. I gotta give you cheap impressionists the brush-off. I (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Maggie Cambron

(...) Gee Bruce, don't you know by now that pointillism belongs in another group? I really don't have time to be canvassing groups looking for those who paint with too broad a brush. Maggie FUT ot.pun (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.pun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) <a la Mike as Wayne> Good one! -John (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Pedro Silva

(...) If you meant a dog-sized rodent, then it's a Capivara (to be found in Brazilian Pantanal). Pedro (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) In English, we call it a capybara, but I like the Iberian spelling better. The really nasty ones are apparently nutrias--they're smaller but meaner by far. Sort of like little seals swimming around in the swamp, except they're ratty. LFB (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Pedro Silva

(...) I did not know these ones. The capivara I knew because of a brazilian soap, which was set in the Pantanal region and became famous for showing the fantastic wildlife to be found there (much more spectacular than in Amazonia, IMHO). They look (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Maggie Cambron

(...) Okay, okay, I admit I got a bit sloppy there. Let's say we are a nation that tolerates having Dubya as president. Isn't there some saying about the people getting the governement they deserve? Maggie (who will mind her own p's and q's if only (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Dang, I think ya got me there, finally. Bruce :-) (Dubya only hurts when I smile....and frown...and grimmace...and....) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) Of course if the great intellect Richard Marchetti doesn't see any good in something, then there *isn't* any good in it and you all should obey his request. Do not, I repeat, do not try and think for yourselves. A greater intellect is at work (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Richard Marchetti

I have been asked by several people to stop debating with you. Some have asked privately others publically. Some have defended you in part, in the main they have condemned you as being pointedly unreasonable -- which I think is true. I am merely (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Thomas Stangl

Richard, John, It's real simple - Kill Filter each other. I kill filtered ScottA in this group only, and my life is much less stressful ;-) I have no problem reading his posts outside of .debate, but in here, he's as thick-headed (or moreso) than (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Scott Arthur

(...) I have to say I have enjoyed comparing the content of this thread with the "indivisible" theme of the subject line. ;) Any Americans who are not happy with life in the USA are welcome to come back to the UK (leave you guns, SUVs etc behind). (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) Are you kidding?-- that's how we're getting there (guns in the car rack). But first, please build another chunnel to us, and while you are preparing for our arrival, please lose those silly Monty Python accents;^D Mmmmm Four-wheeling in the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Oooooo, british sports cars (have you fixed the darn oil leaks yet?), but have to put up with a queen? Tough choice. How about if I go to Scotland and foment rebellion? But then again, I could stay in SoCal, have my non-leaky Japanese but (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Koudys

(...) Or you could become Canadian, which, as *everyone* knows, is a happy balance between the British system and Americanism, and we're pretty nice people to boot! We have the best sense of humour, combining the satirical Monty Python with the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Oooo...ooo! I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day! Canada is a great place. I like Canada. But then again, I drove through Massachusetts and loved the place. Why the heck would people leave there for ugly sage (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) I chop down trees, I wear high heels, Suspenders and a bra. I wish I'd been a girlie Just like my dear papa. -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Larry Pieniazek

(...) The SUVs are doing that??? Whoa. Auto automation (and auto armament, where's my Car Wars rule book!?!) in silly valley has gotten farther than I thought. Here I thought it was the *drivers* that were doing that, using their SUV (or gun, as the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) And here *I* thought those kind of cars were only available to British 00 agents! -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: Luckily, the times I've seen you (...) Perhaps you are correct. FWIW, I find you very different IRL as well:-) I'm prone to say that it is the nature of this medium. It is always very interesting to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Please fix your quoting. You have omitted the leading ">" from the first line of your quoted material again.... If you can't take care to do this, maybe you're not taking care in your thinking either? (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) This is some wrapping problem-- something else one needs not worry about f2f:-p -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Ahhhh. Interesting. Then it is irrelevant whether you accept Christ as God (avatar of God?) in relation to whether you are a Christian or not? That's my own opinion, but I suspect the majority of those that describe themselves as Christians (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) Uh, I wouldn't put it quite that way. Jesus was from God as no other had been before or since. Only One from God who would know God's nature would be able to reveal God to us (now this "us" could be interpreted as "the Jews" and then to the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Dan Boger

Something just struck me wrong when I read this... (...) Back up there, schoolboy. Christians *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) But then you wouldn't be talking about *only* Christians. If belief in God is your sole criteria, then you would have only a small portion of the group if you were speaking of Christians-- Muslims, Jews, Deists, etc would be a part of that (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Pedro Silva

(...) Replace "Christians" with any "Religious" and the sentence still makes sense - much sense. (...) See "Buddhist" (sp?) (...) The mere fact that you don't hear them does not mean they are not there... these are the ones that do not attend (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I got his point. I think it's a valid restatement of your words to show that they can be applied to many groups. you DO paint atheists with an excessively broad brush, you know. More importantly.... I have a favor to ask though... please do a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Richard Marchetti

(...) I just wanted to see what it felt like to make bald assertions like the troll, John. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" on you since I know you value your ignorance so much. DOG forbid you should learn anything, including the error of (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) This wasn't even your baldest assertion-- it was your characterization of Christianity as a group of homicidal innocent butcherers. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" "Schoolboy" was a word play on Dave's last name-- I'm not sure what (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

messes —Larry Pieniazek

John... Please, PLEASE fix your line wrapping messes when you post. Either fix them by hand or get a better posting tool. Here is an example - start - that I think (...) - end - See that first line? It should have a ">" in front of it just like the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Wait a second. I thought the unifying belief of "Christians" was in the divinity of Jesus Christ--unless something has changed, and groups like the Unitarians are now "acceptable" to the bulk of Christianity as Christian faiths (not that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) In fairness, John was looking for groups, not individuals. Any bigish group is going to have some fruitcakes. And in her case, you can hardly blame her Christianity (unless there's something I don't know about her). (...) This, OTOH, is a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —David Koudys

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Again, fruitcakes who have no idea what God's word is about--they are not Christians, they are religious fanatics--just 'cause they call themselves Christians doesn't mean they (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) It's not really my job to assign guilt to you. That's up to you. I feel vaguely uneasy about sitting by and paying taxes when my government(s) do wrong. And I feel like guilt is virtually always shared by the people involved in some mishap. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. —John Neal

(...) That's bull, Chris. Look at RM's reply to my question that *started* this whole thing: Me: What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who believes that they are acting on behalf of God? RM: Xtians? Richard was (...) (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)