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Re: LP statement on terrorist attacks
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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:02:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > I guess you don't know what pandering is, then... In fact maybe you don't
> > know what you're talking about at all, with respect to this. That's
> > understandable, you're pretty close to the epicenter and can't be expected
> > to be 100% rational.
> >
> > ++Lar
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> Larry, you never cease to amaze me with the insults you will throw out at
> anyone who disagrees with you.
That's a mischaracterization. Read on.
> Pandering - catering to the tastes and desires of others; exploiting their
> weaknesses. The LP is jumping on a crises situation to promote themselves. P
> A N D E R I N G. Just because every other political party is doing it too,
> does not negate the fact that the LP is PANDERING to the public.
Let's be clear here. We are, in case you hadn't noticed, having a bit of a
debate about what we ought to do. Militarily, economically, from a foreign
policy perspective, you name it. That debate is being carried out not just
here on Lugnet but also in the larger media. Lots of people are making their
opinions known, and those opinions vary.
That's right and proper. We as a country ought to be pretty sure we talked
about what to do enough that we are comfortable that what we do is the right
thing. Do you agree or disagree? Or would you rather we knee jerked and
lived to regret it?
Calling for debate and for sticking to principles is NOT pandering. It's
needful discussion, we have too many kooks calling for unmitigated disaster
at both ends of the spectrum (neither nothing nor nuking is correct, thank you).
Libertarians, and the LP, have as much right or more to make their voices
heard in this important debate as, say, those that say it's all America's
fault for not recognising the Palestinians, or those that say that we should
nuke the entire mideast into the stone age, or those that say that we should
do nothing at all and try sending flowers to the terrorists to show we love
and forgive them. Do you agree or disagree? If the LP has the right to make
its opinion known, what's your beef?
You don't have to agree with my opinion on what to do, or the LP's position,
but to call it pandering is just being clueless or insulting, whichever you
choose.
But I would ask, what part exactly DO you disagree with? The part that says
we ought to meddle less in the affairs of other countries? The part that
says we ought not to give up more of our civil liberties? The part that says
we ought to plan our military actions carefully? The part that says that LP
members ought to do their fair share and more to help give relief? Or maybe
the part that says that the LP leadership is in sorrow about it just like
everyone else? What's your beef?
> It is also extremely clear that you are attempting to do the same with your
> statement "can't be expected to be 100% rational" above.
> That's right folks, don't disagree with LP (LAR that is). As usual, he >insults anyone who disagrees with his opinion.
That in itself is insulting Ed and I expect better when you come to your
senses. I'm trying to cut you a little slack here rather than assume
malicious intent on your part.
++Lar
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| Thought this might make interesting reading. It's by Harry Browne (LP) and though I'm a tad more hawkish than he, he makes great points in favor of moderation. (URL) He articulates what he believes, but most importantly answers some of the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| > > I guess you don't know what pandering is, then... In fact maybe you don't > > know what you're talking about at all, with respect to this. That's > > understandable, you're pretty close to the epicenter and can't be expected > > to be 100% (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Larry, you never cease to amaze me with the insults you will throw out at anyone who disagrees with you. Pandering - catering to the tastes and desires of others; exploiting their weaknesses. The LP is jumping on a crises situation to promote (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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