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Re: LP statement on terrorist attacks
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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:53:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Do only the two big parties even *get* to have an opinion? Blech.
Lar, in this crises, good or bad, the "two big parties" in power hold the only
opinions that will be acted upon. While many people and groups may hold
opinions, the decisions about to be made will be made by those in power. A
very simple concept.
> Thank you LFB for the link to HB which I quote in part:
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> - start -
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> "Using this event as a means to bolster the Libertarian party is despicable
> and it is disgusting."
>
> It appears that standing up for what one believes isn't a way to bolster the
> popularity of the Libertarian Party. But that's what Libertarians often do –
> especially when no one else will.
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> - end -
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> I have my differences with HB but he's right about this. The LP making their
> position known isn't going to win them a lot of new fans. Oh well.
Lar, the LP's opinion of what to do in this crises, however valid or invalid,
is moot (see above).
Would you
> prefer a party that polls in order to decide what position to hold, or a
> Party of Principle? What's the point of saying what everyone already thinks?
> So you are wrong to say that the LP shouldn't say what it thinks, because
> it's important to debate this.
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> But you go further. You say that the LP doesn't have the influence of a sack
> of fries.
In this case, they don't. We are going to be at war. The "two big parties"
will be making the decisions.
> Really? "the era of big government is over"... remember? Who's the chair of
> the Fed again? Who's the chair of the FCC again? Who's the secretary of the
> Interior again? They, and lots of others, have been strongly influenced by
> objectivist and libertarian ideas. We're debating whether to privatize
> social security, which was the "third rail" of politics, and considered
> undebatable. We're debating whether to further deregulate many industries.
> We're debating how much to cut capital gains taxes, and the list goes on and
> on and on.
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> You are wrong. Libertarian ideas have had a vast influence in this country
> of late and while the LP isn't the only reason why (there is the Cato
> Institute, the Reason Foundation, and lots of other organizations) to say it
> had no part in making that happen is false, wishful thinking on the part of
> detractors.
Again, the LP and others may have influence on a small political factions.
However, the Chair of the Fed, the Chair of the FCC and the Secretary of the
Interior will not be making war decisions in the next few days.
> Parties do not need to win elections to exert influence. Ask the 1920s
> Socialists.
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> The world is becoming more libertarian and I for one don't understand why
> you have such a big beef with it, so big that you lash out blindly like
> this. Many of your ideas and goals are similar. Only the means differ.
Right now this country is depending on our government to retaliate for
Tuesday's attacks. Whether or not the LP has influence in "'third rail' of
politics", or any other "social" debates is irrelevant. The LP will not be
making any war decisions.
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| (...) I hope to god that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats will either. What I hope is that all groups, parties, and individuals make their voices heard so that we can go forward as a country united rather than straggling and unsupportive of (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) It's Lar, not LAR. Please keep it straight, if you would, ED. Thanks. (...) And when I explained why it isn't, you foamed. I foamed back. Sorry. Do only the two big parties even *get* to have an opinion? Blech. Thank you LFB for the link to HB (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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