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(...) I have a doubt, then. If he was under Israeli custody prior to 1997, and he was released, doesn't it imply the israelis accepted he was no longer fair game? Or was he released to become fair game? Pedro (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote: (snip) (...) As I mentioned, any Palestinian groups or leaders who shows sympathy or a proclivity to make peace with Israel may well find themselves the enemy of Hamas and thus dead. There is a (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is laughable, the Palestinian people, who have been known to strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up, along with innocent men, women, and children, are going to have more anger. Please tell me how a group of people willing to (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: (snip) (...) Sometimes it is. Are you suggesting, for example, that the US should not be responding to al-Qaeda lest we really piss them off? Fact is that not responding emboldens terrorists to (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) His organization has declared war on Israel. He was a completely legitimate target. (...) I think the Israelis believed that at one time, too, because the fact is that they probably could have snuffed out his pathetic existence any time that (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) K, so I care a little bit... Holy idiocy on your part, John! What's that all about? How can you be this obtuse? It doesn't matter what he did before *now* that he died, by the way in a violent fashion, by the hands of the Israelis. Violence (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just because the man should be dead or the world is better off with him dead doesn't mean Isreal was justified in killing him. In fact I would postulate that this will lead to much more killing that it will prevent. This is why a open policy (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, the dopes-- killing an old man, and one in a wheelchair to boot! 'Course, that old man did found and lead Hamas, a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of the State of Israel through the targeted killing of, among others, (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's gotten to the point where I just don't care anymore. Since 9/11, and even before, I got frustrated, angered, incensed, and just downright PO'd about what the various gov'ts, leaders, etc. were doing to each other. Now, finally, after (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I fear "the great Satan" would have supplied them... no doubt as part of the “war on terror”. If Bush was serious about stopping terrorism, he’d have sorted out Israel and Palestine a long time ago. Instead he chose to fuel terrorism by (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He claims to have asked for a meeting with Bush 3 days after he came to power. RC wanted to talk about OBL; Bush only wanted to hear about Iraq! (URL) for yourself. In the same BBC interview, he also claims that Rumsfeld wanted to bomb Iraq on (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Rubbish. Its all in the spin. Read the article. The dude had been 'discovered' before, there had been a half hearted enquiry that had been dropped for reasons unspecified. Of course the authorities were not 'allowing' them to live in the US. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Were the AWM's* used US sourced? (*) Air-to-Wheelchair-Missiles Fredrik (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Plagiarism is not only dishonest, it betrays the trust of this community and it is against the terms of this site if it infringes copyright restrictions. Scott A (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Strange that O'Neil also said that Bush took his eye off the ball. (...) Clarke is clear that he thought OBL was a problem... Bush did not want to hear. (...) That does not answer my point... is throw mud all you can do? (...) Anything to say? (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But if they'd posed a threat to, say, Cuba instead of to the United States, would they have been arrested at all? And, anyway, that's not the point. All day, every day, we're bombarded with so-called "breaking news" reports about the latest (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First of all, nobody with the knowledge of what they were up to was "allowing" them to live in the US. As soon as they were discovered, they were arrested. (...) Is this last part meant as a joke? Are you inferring some sort of aspersion on (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From Dubya's own carefully fact-checked SOTU (URL) address:> As part of the offensive against terror, we are also confronting the regimes that harbor and support terrorists, and could supply them with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. I've (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not if he is kissing Democrats. (...) More like CYA. (...) That's my point! It was HIS job to get that perception, and way back then! (...) If nothing else he should shut his piehole or take some responsibility instead of trying to profit and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think Clarke pre-dates even Clinton; he is not the "kiss & tell" type. Is he not acting in the US's best interests? (...) That would be the same attack you did not know about 2 weeks ago? John Neal: "Nobody perceived OBL as a threat on (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) More reason to clean house when a new administration comes in. Got any personal agendas, Mr. Clarke-- such as a book to sell? Why not tell us all you and the Clinton adminstration did after the attack on the (URL) USS Cole>? One could easily (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Richard Clarke (URL) Quotes>: "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Sheikh Yassin Quotes: “Death threats do not frighten us; we are in search of martyrdom.” “In the past we declared a unilateral ceasefire, we gave the Israeli enemy a truce for 50 days, but they did not commit to it even for one day. They continued (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I thought you were kidding around. Provide a concrete example-- or were you referring to racism? JOHN (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doesn't address my point in the slightest. Nothing more than I expected. -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, this horse is past due for the glue factory, but I just wanted to make this final observation. It isn't any secret that conservatives have lower tolerance level on most issues than liberals do. That's why they are called conservative;-) (...) (21 years ago, 22-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That makes sense. (...) OK. I don't think I'll ever understand why killing an animal would incline God toward forgiveness. But even taking for granted that that system of atonement exists, I am further completely baffled as to how/why the act (...) (21 years ago, 21-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, he gets to be intolerant because he doesn't believe in tolerance - he just doesn't want intolerance of his intolerance, and will pretend that any intolerance of his intolerance is the same as his intolerance itself, and therefore said (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And I am saying that those that want to be intolerant (read: haters of those different from their own narrow views) have come up with an ego-defense mechanism that tries to equate their intolerance of others as the same as the disapproval of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But, you're demanding that Liberals be tolerant of intolerance, so wouldn't you have to tolerate the Liberals' intolerance of intolerance? (...) Are we to understand, then, that you will henceforth be tolerant of homosexuals as well as of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look, all I am saying is that if one is going to preach tolerance (read: pluralists), than be tolerant in all circumstances, not merely when it serves one's agendas. (...) There is no justification for it, except to say that everyone has the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Partial transcript of pretty much every interview with Condoleezza Rice
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(...) I can't reveal my source without compromising national security. Oh, heck, why not? My source is Robert Novak. Actually, it was my own work, based on an annoying evasive interview with Dr. Rice that I sat through last night, but it mirrors (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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ROFL. I had no idea you were a comedy writer, Dave! Very nice work, Dave! Or are you not sharing the original source, Dave! You know that'll get you in trouble with certain elements here, Dave! (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Marriage (was: Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee)
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(...) Well, the last time I looked, they're pretty different in most cases. But my point is that the difference between men and women is not central to marriage. Therefore the difference between men and women cannot be used as a gatekeeper criterion (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes but not necessarily relevant. (...) No. It's not at all obvious that is true. You'd have to prove it. But don't bother, because even if it were true, what of it? Marriage != Raising Children Ideal != Only Not Ideal != Should be Forbidden (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, you are saying that those that can't stand racists aren't as bad as the actual racists, they are worse. As I said, stupid or self-serving. (...) It is the justification of racism that I am trying to understand (well, I do, it is a game to (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Marriage (was: Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee)
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(...) Don't ask, don't tell;-) But seriously, privacy issues put that tack in irons. (...) If you want to argue that men and women are basically the same, bring it on;-D (...) Specious. You are comparing apples and oranges. Of course I'd never (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: (snip) lol IOW, She's got what it takes to be POTUS and will give HRC a run for her money in 2008:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Marriage (was: Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee)
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(...) I don't think it's so obvious, honestly. If the fundamental criterion for legal marriage is the possibility of childbirth, then non-fertile couples must not be allowed to wed. Similarly, if a wife and husband try unsuccessfully to conceive, (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Partial transcript of pretty much every interview with Condoleezza Rice
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Commentator: Good evening, Dr. Rice. I hope you’re well. Rice: I’m much better, now that brave coalition forces have removed the butcher Saddam Hussein from power. C: How do you respond to concerns about the failure to find any weapons of mass (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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