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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote: <snip> (...) "All right you primitive screwheads, listen up! See this? This is my BOOM STICK!!!!" My favourite dialogue from any movie ever! The quotes from that movie... "It's a trick (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My favorite is the sound of a cocking gun in a movie with a hammerless gun. Or sounds of Bruce Campbell racking the slide on his double-barrel shotgun. -->Bruce<-- Good, bad: I'm the guy with the keyboard. (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, yes, but death by Claymores was twice that, death by Haggis twice the Claymore rate, and death by Single Malt...don't even get me started! -->Bruce<-- (yes, I was named after that Bruce) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure, if they would use it without affecting anyone else, but they won't. They will use and drive cars and barges and operate machinery, and kill 1,000s as drunks do today. What about the freedoms of the rest of us? (...) What I am saying is (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I feel obliged to add that we probably haven't spent "trillions" of dollars on welfare unless of course we include the ongoing billions handed to big corporations, and that doesn't really qualify as 'trying to wipe out poverty.' Further, even (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nobody mentioned welfare except for you, John. I emphasized decent education and trade programs. I don't see that you rebutted anything else substantive that I have previously stated either. You set up a straw man and want me to defend it? Not (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You defend the more Christian approach? You make me laugh. Your idea is to have the government try and solve the problem, wasting billions of $$$ on beaucracy. How many trillions of dollars have we spent in the past 40 years on welfare (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The Fog of War Talk (URL) "That's a good question, as to what constitutes victory," Rumsfeld replied. "Now, what is victory? I say that victory is persuading the American people and the rest of the world that this is not a quick matter that's going (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is obvious you have never seen people beaten down by their socio-economic cicumstances as I have. Come to West Oakland, CA and see the situation and tell me that people are absolutely choosing their lifestyles. Now who is being naive? As an (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What's the problem? Under certain circumstances freemen have the right, and perhaps the duty, to take human lives in the defense of their home or homelands. Tool designed for the purpose of taking human life in the hands of the rightfully (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gotta stop ya right there. I think there should be a ban on certain firearms - Joe Schlub has no need to go buy an Uzi, AK-47, grenade launcher, etc. Sure, recreational shooting and all, yeah. These were weapons designed and built to take (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The latest stats for Scotland show: Handgun crime is lower now than 10 years ago (they were “banned” in 97). 50% of gun crime involves air weapons. Gun deaths per 100,000 = 0.12 (in the USA it is 4.08 - that's 3400% higher!) I think overall (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok I must restate that I do not shoot at noises. In fact more than likely I wouldn't shoot at all I'd simply knock the intruder out. But anyway... (...) Yeah that would be your own dumb fault. I would agree with the involuntary manslaughter (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but let's extend it a little further. Suppose we went with variation #3 from my previous post: 3. The "intruder" is your daughter who has sneaked down to the kitchen for a glass of water during the night If you killed your daughter in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you would kind of have to now wouldn't you? Of course enacting regulation in the first place and no impact on the crime rate so I don't see why deregulation would either. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I have no problem as the newer of the two Scott's being refeffered to as Scott C., the other Scott, The American Scott, or even Great Scott (. I just laughed when I read your post and thought "Hey, I'm pro gun, what is he talking about." (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As the child is under her care and if through her ill-advised actions she gets shot in self defence, I would say that the fault lies with her. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly - for emphasis. It's all Hollywood. Common sense abandoned for dynamics. (...) Splitting hairs here, but I was taught (back to the respect and responsibility thing) that all guns are dangerous. Always treat it as if it's loaded, don't (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point, but here's something that's always bothered me. Very often we'll see some menacing fellow onscreen brandishing a .45 or even a shotgun, and by brandishing it he coerces some other character to undertake some action or inaction. But (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said you were naive, not an idiot. But anyway, if you think such powerfully addictive drugs were available to the GP at such low prices, what do you think would occur? How many 1,000s if not 10,000s of junkies would our society have? It (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Very well put. I'd say I agree with 99% of that. Pumping a shotgun is a rather dramatic sound, eh? Tangent, but I always find it interesting that in movies, the action of the gun is always shown (heard) before the actual firing, simply because (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the real difference lies in what you and I identify to constitute an immediate threat to oneself and one's family. It seems that you equate the act of breaking-in with the intent to inflict bodily harm, whereas I distinguish between (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pittsburgh, PA alone has about that many offenses each month. Maybe it's because we spell offenses with an "s" rather than a "c." (...) That suggests an interesting thought experiment, which I pose to our resident self-proclaimed "gun toting (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As one of the Daves in this go-around, I'll offer my thoughts in response. I should underscore outright that I'm definitely not anti-gun. I admit that I have leaned more in that direction in the past, but my opinion has evolved, and I no (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "One of the most common problems with handguns are unintentional deaths and injuries that occur when people handle guns. Approximately 17,000 unintentional gunshot wounds are treated in U.S. hospitals each year - 1 every 30 minutes, and (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, that's the big problem -- my naïveté! Growing prison populations challenge already cash-strapped states (URL) WASHINGTON (AP) -- America's prison population grew again in 2002 despite a declining crime rate, costing the federal (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah. But I don't live in the USA; I live in Scotland (think Whisky, Haggis, Great Scenery & Rain). Where I live only 1 or 2 home-owners are killed by burglars each year. In 2000 there were a total of 64 (sixy-four) handgun offences in Scotland. (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Point One: Most burglaries occur during the day when nobody is home. This entire issue is a moot point, there is no confrontation. Most burglars hate confrontation. (Partly because it can lead to thier death.) Point Two: Yes, murderous (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you look down the barrel and pull the trigger, sure. It is very unlikely that you kill yourself with a gun unless it is intentional. It does however, happen, it is just very rare. (...) The way around that is proper gun use through training (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because it violates the freedom of people who wish to use them without affecting anyone else. Duh. (...) But they do not fall under the category of rape, murder, or stealing and as such only affect those who choose to participate. Anything (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure, crime isn't the criminal's fault, it's society's! (...) You know, I've been meaning to ask you about that. So what if we have the hightest incarceration rate in the world. Should there be some magical limit? We as a society have certain (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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This is more of the usual right-wing idiocy. Beat down the victims of right-wing callousness. The problem is not incarcerating real criminals, the problem is the creation of crime! We are trying to legislate morality by creating whole categories of (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would agree that prison is now more of a "resort", and less of a deterrent to criminals and crime. I am certain that many people who are not criminals, but good, hardworking people, DO NOT have health care, exercise equipment or access to (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Basically what you are arguing for is an increase in law enforcement personnel, which is fine (although adding to the tax burden), but in the end I don't think it will decrease the crime rate that much, although significantly drive pastry (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed not. The courts have fairly routinely announced that the only time the government is specifically responsible for you is when and if you are "in custody" (i.e. "under arrest") and even then they try to weasel out of responsibility most (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then you must mean "Dave, Scott and Dave!";-) JOHN (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops! That should be Dave, Dave and Scott. Don't want to be leaving anyone out. :-) -Chris (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey fellas, I've read a few of the many recent posts about firearms and whatnot. Welp, it's late and I feel like rambling a bit. Bear with me. Why is it that people dislike firearms so? I don't mean to pick on anyone, but in recent posts Dave and (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WTF? Did you even read my post? -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh the book is obviously conservatively biased, but the basic information pertaining to the Government successfully winning court cases which conclude they have no obligation to respond to 911 calls and/or insure the safty of specific (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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