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(...) It is time that all of the world's tinpot leaders get the message that supporting terrorism and terrorists will lead to their ruin. (...) That may have been good advice 200 years ago, but the world is a smaller place today. There is no more (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So instead of having an honest justification -- since you have never been able to provide even a single bit of evidence to connect SH, AQ, and/or OBL -- you'd rather just invade countries within the world of Islam? Yeah, that's not anything (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL! If all leaders were ousted for lying & distortion of facts, none of them would last 5 minutes! BTW our PM is also copping (URL) large amounts of flak> for this so called "proof of WMD" but he will also survive it. He survived the (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gad, you are obtuse. I love how you minimize 1,000s OF AMERICANS who died on OUR soil! There is a very real threat out there, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. We may never know the results of the pre-emptive deposing of SH, but I'd (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I know, I know bad form replying to myself. (...) The federal budget is not the same thing as the national economy. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All of them. I hope in my lifetime all the politicians are gone and we reinstate the use of representatives. (...) Yeah but when over half the population believes the story and now "feels safe" you might as well bide your time. (...) Ok the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh absolutely. (...) Well I have heard the same thing from liberals favoring Democratic admistrations that is why I tend to accept it moreso than not. (...) No. (...) Well duh. (...) Unfortunatly I really never figured that part out. Maybe (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It'd be great to blame Shrub for a lot of this, and I do, but let's be even more specific in what is being claimed. Leaving quotes and vaguely worded claims to the side, I am blame Shrub for a rush to judgment on a matter of considerable importance. (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I love how you minimize AMERICANS DYING on foreign soil and WAR in general as mere partisan politics! Yeah, we're all just little partisan pawns to move about to and fro on your Xtian "apocalypse" game board, John. For the upteenth time, and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not really. I'd only object to Cheney inasmuch as he is probably just as responsible as Dubya is. I don't regard duping the American people into spending billions of dollars and the lives of American service men and women as merely "politics". (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Correct, but I'm pretty sure that you would have to go pretty far down the pike in order to get to a Democrat, which is really what this whole thing is all about (partisan politics). JOHN (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think it will go anyhow; the state of CA has been going w/out a budget for days now and this Californian would rather see money for a re-election go elsewhere, like education and health services. But speaking as a native Californian, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Impeachment would take focus away from Iraq -- and we need to get out of there in a big hurry -- so I'm not for impeachment, not exactly anyway. I just favor anyone but Shrub the next time around. But whomever we get, we will get the president (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If only we could figure out who won the popular vote in 2000. Seriously though--if Bush were to leave due to impeachment or wrongdoing, then naturally Cheney would have to assume the post. Unless of course Cheney is likewise guilty of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course, if you simply hate Liberals, then Feinstein slithers, but at least she isn't an incompetent do-nothing. (...) We don't get a choice: it would be Cheney. I just had to one-up the Feinstein scenario you dread. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not clear why this is unrelated -- it seems very related to me, and also an obvious example of the U.S.' very poor foreign policy as a whole. The other issue is shelf-life: it is my understanding that most of this stuff has lost its (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: (snip) I'm curious. Elsewhere in this thread the recall of Gray Davis was mentioned. I happen to think that a bad idea because I think that that could open the door for someone really horrible to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have to be careful about that kind of assertion, though, because it's after-the-fact and is succeptible to tremendous spin. Additionally (though not conclusively) I've heard the point put forth most vehemently by conservative pundits, who (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well from all 3 Economics classes I have taken through high school and college all three teachers/professers have stated that a President and Congress's effect on the economy shows up about 10 years after the fact. Sort of a catch 22, the government (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First you must demonstrate that it's obvious. Then you must demonstrate that it's biased. Then you must demonstrate that it's a source. (also riffing on that previous joke (for those joining us late)) (...) I confess that I'll miss him, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As to whether Harry Browne is running(2) again, let us hope not. Yes, some Libertarians lie/cheat/steal... but we don't claim to be perfect, just forgiven... er wait, wrong tagline, try that again.... but we are actively working to make the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's a good counterpoint from (...) This quote was taken from (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I failed to include my cite: (URL) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You make a good distinction. In the interest of fairness and disclosure, I offer some documentation of my assertion: Dubya's speech on 10/7/03 included the following statements: re: active biological/chemical weapons program: (...) and a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My Grandfather sent this to me via e-mail. I don't know if its true but it should be. ---...--- The following is an answering machine message for the Pacific Palisades High School in California. The school and teachers were being sued by parents who (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You assume that because the U.S. doesn't know where stuff in Iraq is that the Iraqi leadership did not know where the stuff is. Simply not finding anything is not proof that there is/was nothing to find, it only means we haven't found it. We (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or become a scofflaw and ignore it. Or rationalize rewriting the law for yourself (sometimes known as pushing the limit to see if it really is a limit): all posted speed limits are really five MPH faster than listed, or heck, this road is a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Clearly all false... But I'm not sure he actually CLAIMED those things (what he did claim was bad enough in the lying department, though...), Dave! (...) I'm still in the "maybe" camp on that one, Dave! (...) As usual when discussing (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But that's not the issue. The issue is that Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice (among other admin officials and toadies) asserted that Saddam was an active and immediate threat with an active chemical/biological weapons program and an active (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was an example. I'm sure that if and when every single rock is turned over in Iraq that there will probably be some canisters of something that's been missing since around '91. That said, since this stuff is missing, it couldn't have been (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wait a minute. People can see that the US was missing some stuff for over 40 years and only recently found it but are complaining that we haven't found anything burried in the Iraqi desert after only a few months!? Color me confused. -Mike (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh... The only thing the government can to do "help" the economy is to cut taxes. Everything else only makes it worse or at best has no impact. And please don't give me that "tax cuts for the rich" crap. The "rich" by the definition the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mea culpa, I meant to say Guardian Unlimited. But I hold to the same logic. I read a diverse, international range of online sources. As long as it sounds like something more or less objective, I will read it and weigh it's significance against (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not really digging too many politicians lately, but let's at least keep in mind that the man is contending with one of the worst CA economies in a long time. He, like Shrub and the U.S. Congress, has done almost zero to better the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is no need or will to deny it; I at least won't bother. However, you'll find the gap between funding a sustained terrorist action and supplying WMD to those terrorists to be very, very wide. If you can link WMD and supporting terrorists (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote: <snip> , that does not (...) But after all that wonderful astuteness, Scott, by what right did your president have to invade a foreign country? His reasons as he listed in every speech and in every (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know of no mechanism for the voters to recall the president of the United States. Impeachment seems to be the only legal recourse. Yes, no? (...) Considering the long history of the United States, are you sure you wish to typify Gray Davis (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tell you what froggy, if you want GWB thrown out, why not take a page from the California playbook. Obviously you feel very strongly that Bush has not been a good president, and your feelings run very deep. Why not start a campaign to recall (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) the point isn't who supported terrorists and who didn't. I mean, Bush Sr helped train Osama! Reagan helped fund the mujaheddin, the religious warriors who later evolved into the Taliban! And yes SH supported suicide bombers. But specifically (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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