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(...) I think you're better off examining statistics rather than analysing reasons, as there are just too many blind alleys to go down if you try the latter(1). But if you examine statistics that are applicable, homeowner gun ownership reduces (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gotta love Oracle...
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(...) Laws, not regulations, ameliorate fundamental rights violations. If someone gets killed and an automobile is involved, there are some possibilities The auto was used as a weapon - this is murder and the law against murder is the thing to (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) Ignorance is bliss. :) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This not true Larry. Where did I say that? I rejected the whole foolish notion - not its outcome. If I did take part, I would "abide by such an outcome". But I am not, so this is not an issue. Perhaps you could run alone: Vote 1) Larry Stays (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare
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(...) I think the issue here is the fact that the state collects taxes, and uses them as *it* sees fit. In a free market, everyone would still have the right to help the abandoned child as they see fit, without the state "forcing" them to. Where (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state.
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Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state. This letter appeared in a UK newspaper yesterday. I just wondered if there was any truth in it. Here it is; ==+== Cuba wants justice too. In view of the government's support for United States (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | voodoo (Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered)
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Be carful Dave Larry may not like some you comments. I remeber you offer advise to him before: ==+== Larry (...) Scott This sounds almost threatening. You must be pretty thin skinned Larry. Do you keep a little black book of all of those who "no (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry: (...) Scott: (...) Scott: (...) "Silence is a virtue in those who are deficient in understanding." Scott A (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Slur used in Libertarian fliers (was Re: Fatwah)
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(...) Hmm. Getting rid of critics by calling them names? Are you really an adult? (...) "poor judgement" which the LP supports. Scott A but is NOT indicative of being a racist any more (or less) than (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Put up - or shut up.
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(...) Where? Show me the source which you have given that back this: "I reject that even if the sanctions actually *caused* the death of even 1 child" & "The sanctions do not prevent the flow of food into the country" (...) Scott Arthur. (...) The (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "The Propaganda War" from the Economist
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(...) What does it mean in Iraq then? Not enough money do buy a DVD player? (...) That's right say I am anti-US, when I am infact pro-truth. I thought they were UN sanction anyhow? (...) Larry. I have said this before. There is less food in the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: PA censoring journalists again, but repudiating bin Laden...
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(...) I loved this line: ==+== National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice criticized Al Jazeera for the broadcast, on the grounds that, among other things, it could be used to send coded messages to terrorist "sleepers" in the United States and (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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I like this. I may get a t-shirt made. :) (...) I live in a tiny little country called Scotland. The time differnce between my lovely little land and you great hulk mass (I'm talking about the USA, not you :) ) means that most of the posting goes (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Ok, show me where I have lied?
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(...) Ok, show me where I have lied? Not where I have gotten it wrong. Not where I have overreacted. Show me where I have lied. Scott A (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The fact is Larry a lot of people died because of that action. I have seen so credible report which supports it. But still you pour cold water on it, but yet you are willing to accept the word of a politician on similar issues. Scott A (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare
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(...) Please don't move it to email, Horst. Your contributions have been extremely well thought out and useful and you are now getting to a point that I have been looking for a reasonable way to raise to hear Larry's 'total free market' view on. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare
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Hello Larry, hello everybody, (...) So the goods you need to be kept alive (in a decent way, I would add) are not rights? What value does the right to live have, then, if it is OK for others to just let me starve, without any fault on my side (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gotta love Oracle...
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Hello Larry, (...) No, you're trying to construct the contradiction, by requiring that the result of a regulation must be perfect. Requiring a license does improve safety (though not perfectly). True, it just sets a minimum standard [1]. This is at (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gotta love Oracle...
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(...) But who, then, decides what those rights should be. You? Me? Thinking over it, I would prefer the second ;-) :wq Horst (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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Hello, (...) Point missed. What I just say is this: Human interaction is complex, and it has been sufficiently proven that complex systems don't react to a single stimulus with a single, easily predictable response. In other words, simplistic (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gotta love Oracle...
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(...) But that's not what I meant. I was talking about the risk that fundamental rights will be violated, like when someone gets killed. And I do believe that driver's licenses, while they certainly cannot eliminate the risk, still do a good job of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Something slightly lighter?
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(...) That's...wow. I'm not sure if that's funny or not. I mean, the entire situation is bizarre, but I find it absolutely uproarious that in this exultation of an avowed enemy of the American way of life, one of *the* cultural icons of Western (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: PA censoring journalists again, but repudiating bin Laden...
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(...) Here's a bit more. (URL) draw the conclusion that Powell may be overreacting a bit, and I tend to agree. (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Something slightly lighter?
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Evil Bert?(1) (URL) Street has always stood for mutual respect and understanding," a spokeswoman said. "We’re outraged that our characters would be used in this unfortunate and distasteful manner. This is not at all humorous.The people responsible (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Forget "Dog Bites Man" or "Man Bites Dog"...
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Found this in todays wire reports. Thought it was funny. Figured I'd share. So there. BTW, XPD to OTD 'cause it seems someone is always talking about animal rights or gun control or violence or the man bites dog argument...so you'd better look (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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(...) Well...it ain't all that big of a trick to import the guns into Ontario from NY either...but, that _still_ doesn't make the crime rate with firearms in Ontario all that high in comparison to most major US areas. Look at a US city with a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gotta love Oracle...
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(...) anyway. I agree Larry. It was just a quip to go with the dig about M$ further down. Though M$ has had (at least temporarily) an effective monopoly on PC operating systems, it *was* only temporary, and was most likely aided along the way (at (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've been thinking about this a bit. Longtime readers know my distaste for the very term. Dubya doesn't like it either. But if you go back to some of the various stuff that has been posted... (Newt's bit. Stuff about what was done in conquered (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Justifying Barbarism? (was: More on Palestine)
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(...) This made me think a bit about the question: Can barbaric acts (whether terrorism or not) be justified if a. The intended overall result[1] is positive (eg. save lives, reduce poverty), and b. The actual overall result is positive, even if (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With government assistance. Free market corporations can erect no such barriers. Not effective ones, anyway. QED (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...or corporations... (...) Thats vi please. VI will generally result in sh: VI: not found or something similar. As will EMACS (except if you use some inferior operating system, sold by some corporate monopoly 8?) Oh, OK, you could create a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or they can rent from a place which allows installation of satellite dishes. I see several in my apartment complex (and for some folks, they even seem to be easy to install, they're bolted to the folks 2nd floor deck railing). As Larry has (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: More on Palestine
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(...) Wow, I don't think I would have ever expected to see something like this come out of Newt. With a slightly quick reading, I don't see anything in that which I disagree with. I think we are seeing the power of the US really coming out. We have (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) Ah-- a good summary point I'd missed. Perhaps a "Plays Well" category in which Larry gets a rather low score. Each, actually, but perhaps moreso Larry as he's often been the one to bring issues like this into the limelight as actual topics of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) I'd disagree on this one. I'd say his largest fault is his tendency to attack a person's stature rather than defend his position or respond to theirs. The title of this sub-thread is a case in point. He has done the same to others and me. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) ! Now you are giving me ideas... hee hee hee... THAT would be nice. I wonder who would be the best card... OTOH, I am *deep* down the scale! :-P (XFUT off-topic-fun) Pedro (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You do not know the temptation I resisted in heading that post with something along the lines of "Brand new O-T-Debator cards! Collect them all! Trade 'em with your friends! Or compete head-to-head on your own non-Lego topics! Coming soon, how (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) (snipped) (...) (snipped) ROTFL! They were almost reduced to the status of "Pokemon" playing cards! Anyway, I do not know these two guys long enough to make such a deep analysis of their debating skills, so I won't. However, I partially agree (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, and once you add annoying twits to your Kill filter, this group is a much nicer read. I've had a much nicer time in this group since adding someone to my Kill filter last week. (...) Unfortunately, the "entertainment" often sinks to the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
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(...) <snip> Nice analysis, Dave. Indeed, I wouldn't want any of the options listed; my preference is for each to ignore the other, but that's beyond my power (and apparantly, their power). Lacking my favorite choice, I have pretty much chosen to (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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