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Re: Slur used in Libertarian fliers (was Re: Fatwah)
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Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:37:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > I'm not saying it (the Libertarian Party) is racist.
> > >
> > > And this guy agrees:
> > > Libertarian party candidate drops from race
> > > http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2001/09/09-07-01tdc/09-07-01dnews-11.asp
> >
> > Hey! My alma mater! The Daily Collegian is hardly a bastion of
> > politically independent news reporting, but it must also be said that the
> > Libertarian party has no serious presence in State College, and, while
> > Heicklen is certainly a bonehead, his methods and views were (when I was at
> > PSU) denounced by many (of the few) local Libertarians. It's also
> > significant that a 67-year-old white, upper middle male would admit using
> > the word "nigger" for shock value and then act surprised when the shock
> > doesn't take the form he'd hoped. He's not really representative of the
> > party as a whole, but he is indicative of what Larry has previously termed
> > Libertarian Macho Flash. Heicklen is a showboat with an axe to grind and
> > uses the public forum (as is obviously his right) to stir up attention for
> > himself without adding anything new to the debate.
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> > As a demonstration of his level-headedness, few years back Heicklen threw
> > himself on the floor of a Wal-Mart as some kind of protest when they
> > wouldn't allow him to solicit on their property:
> > http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1999/03/03%2D15%2D99tdc/03%2D15%2D99dnews%2D10.asp
> >
> > I know first hand that the Wal-Mart in question is posted "no solicitors" in
> > the manner of many private businesses, so I don't know why Heicklen, a
> > nominal Libertarian, would have chosen to disregard Wal-Mart's property
> > rights in this matter.
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> That proves he's not particularly libertarian, then. Small parties do
> sometimes have to take what they can get at local levels but I'd support his
> ouster.
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> Unfortunately these sorts of organizational issues give ammo to foamers
> drawing conclusions that are far too broad.
Hmm. Getting rid of critics by calling them names? Are you really an adult?
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> By the way, the phrase in question is derived from a work that is far older
> which also used it for shock value.
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> http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary/030301studentasnigger.html
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> not sure what side of the aisle this author was on. Note that this word is
> one that it's apparently OK for some to say but not for others.
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> Use of the term in this case in the way it was used (I can't be sure, but I
> suspect, since I haven't seen the pamplet in question) is indicative of poor
> judgement
"poor judgement" which the LP supports.
Scott A
but is NOT indicative of being a racist any more (or less) than
> saying some situation has attributes of concentrationc camp-ness makes you a
> Nazi... far more context is needed to make that characterization)
>
> But of course, the very word is cited as proof by foamers drawing
> conclusions that are far too broad.
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