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Re: Slur used in Libertarian fliers (was Re: Fatwah)
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Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:16:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > I'm not saying it (the Libertarian Party) is racist.
> >
> > And this guy agrees:
> > Libertarian party candidate drops from race
> > http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2001/09/09-07-01tdc/09-07-01dnews-11.asp
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> Hey! My alma mater! The Daily Collegian is hardly a bastion of
> politically independent news reporting, but it must also be said that the
> Libertarian party has no serious presence in State College, and, while
> Heicklen is certainly a bonehead, his methods and views were (when I was at
> PSU) denounced by many (of the few) local Libertarians. It's also
> significant that a 67-year-old white, upper middle male would admit using
> the word "nigger" for shock value and then act surprised when the shock
> doesn't take the form he'd hoped. He's not really representative of the
> party as a whole, but he is indicative of what Larry has previously termed
> Libertarian Macho Flash. Heicklen is a showboat with an axe to grind and
> uses the public forum (as is obviously his right) to stir up attention for
> himself without adding anything new to the debate.
> As a demonstration of his level-headedness, few years back Heicklen threw
> himself on the floor of a Wal-Mart as some kind of protest when they
> wouldn't allow him to solicit on their property:
> http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1999/03/03%2D15%2D99tdc/03%2D15%2D99dnews%2D10.asp
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> I know first hand that the Wal-Mart in question is posted "no solicitors" in
> the manner of many private businesses, so I don't know why Heicklen, a
> nominal Libertarian, would have chosen to disregard Wal-Mart's property
> rights in this matter.
That proves he's not particularly libertarian, then. Small parties do
sometimes have to take what they can get at local levels but I'd support his
ouster.
Unfortunately these sorts of organizational issues give ammo to foamers
drawing conclusions that are far too broad.
By the way, the phrase in question is derived from a work that is far older
which also used it for shock value.
http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary/030301studentasnigger.html
not sure what side of the aisle this author was on. Note that this word is
one that it's apparently OK for some to say but not for others.
Use of the term in this case in the way it was used (I can't be sure, but I
suspect, since I haven't seen the pamplet in question) is indicative of poor
judgement but is NOT indicative of being a racist any more (or less) than
saying some situation has attributes of concentrationc camp-ness makes you a
Nazi... far more context is needed to make that characterization)
But of course, the very word is cited as proof by foamers drawing
conclusions that are far too broad.
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